Comments Thread For: Buster Douglas: Canelo Did Not Beat The 'Champ' - Created Draw

[Amazinshooter]

Effective Aggression – Being aggressive gives the impression of dominance, but unless the boxer is landing shots and not constantly getting countered, it’s not exactly “effective.” Judges look for effective aggression, where the aggressor consistently lands his punches and avoids those from his opponent.
Ring Generalship – The fighter who controls the action and enforces his will and style.
Defense – How well is a boxer slipping, parrying, and blocking punches? Good defense is important.
Hard and Clean Punches – To the untrained eye, it can appear as if a boxer is landing a lot of shots, when, in fact, most are being blocked or aren’t landing flush. A judge needs to look for hard shots that land clean.
- From Coolmaterial.com

Four Criteria system, I had triple g winning three of the 4 criteria. Defense going to Canelo.

[stealthradon]

I had Canelo winning decisively on the night. Watched it countless times since and it's virtually impossible for me to give the fight to GG if we score it properly using the criteras.
GG was displaying ineffective aggression, horrible defence and was second best in the effective punches department.

Here's what I posted the following day...

Canelo missed as much as GGG.

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What I wrote earlier today.

Ring Generalship is key in boxing, in spurts Canelo was good but at the end of the day, you have to win the whole round, not just the first 30 seconds to 1 minute. Canelo did land the cleaner punches, but that doesn't mean you win the round. Essentially, everyone here is saying that GGG is missing punches. But you can't make that argument, you basically defeat yourself. In total punches, there was a 2.5% differential. 169 landed out of 505, overall Canelo missed 336 punches. Whereas Golovkin was the clear aggressor, 218 landed out of 703 but missed 485 times. Onto the next category power punches Canelo won this category by 4 punches 114/272, Golovkin 110/342 missed 9% less, but you're going to miss more when you're coming forward. Overall I can't believe that I'm even having to write this because this should be common sense. Here is why Golovkin won the match, the Jab made Canelo back up and get on his cycle. 55/233 on jabs 23.6% for Canelo
110/342 on jabs for Golovkin 29.9%.

Golovkin didn't win the fight he got schooled IMO. The ring general dictates the pace of the fight, it's not just about fighting from the centre of the ring. Canelo was smooth, enjoying himself while landing effective punches. Golovkin was coming forward ineffectively, literally loading up and hitting the ropes. Canelo disarmed Golovkins best tools, that's indisputable. Compubox can be decieving as my former post proves e.g Gonzalez vs Siskaret.
Golovkin has a great jab but again the numbers are misleading. Range finding jabs aren't scoring punches. It's not common sense what you're writing as the fight was scored a draw. Canelo won more rounds if we tally the rounds up from all the judges. Golovkin won by 1 point on 1 judges scorecard.

"Everyone is saying Golovkin is missing punches". One of the criterias in Boxing is defence.... So you don't score defence when you watch fights?.

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Canelo missed as much as GGG.

No he did not. See above.

[stealthradon]

No he did not. See above.

Yes he did. See my previous posts.

[Amazinshooter]

Golovkin didn't win the fight he got schooled IMO. The ring general dictates the pace of the fight, it's not just about fighting from the centre of the ring. Canelo was smooth, enjoying himself while landing effective punches. Golovkin was coming forward ineffectively, literally loading up and hitting the ropes. Canelo disarmed Golovkins best tools, that's indisputable. Compubox can be decieving as my former post proves e.g Gonzalez vs Siskaret.
Golovkin has a great jab but again the numbers are misleading. Range finding jabs aren't scoring punches. It's not common sense what you're writing as the fight was scored a draw. Canelo won more rounds if we tally the rounds up from all the judges. Golovkin won by 1 point on 1 judges scorecard.

"Everyone is saying Golovkin is missing punches". One of the criterias in Boxing is defence.... So you don't score defence when you watch fights?.

So I get where you're coming from, but the same can be said of Canelo, a counter puncher must counter effectively as well. My opinion on this is always going to be the boxer who fights in spurts is in effect giving away a round, even if he is landing flush. So scoring criteria, effective aggression, GGG jab was backing Canelo up, and after the 4th round he dictated the pace, Canelo started backing up. So that's the first criteria, scoring both not just one boxer triple G was just winning by being more active in many of those rounds. Second criteria, Ring Generalship, Canelo fought in the center and then gassed after the 4th round. Find me one fight where Canelo is backing up constantly after the 2-minute mark of every round, you can't because Canelo loves Mexican style. But on that night he lacked the stamina, to keep up with the work output. 3rd criteria is defense and yes if you're scoring defense, I think Canelo won this. So far 2/3 criteria have gone to triple g, and the last criteria hard and clear punches. So I gave Canelo 5 rounds, in 5 of those rounds he landed flush enough to win those rounds, however in the other rounds triple G was just jabbing him to death. The jab scores and the jab also backed him up. So 3 out of the 4 criteria basically went to GGG. I think Canelo was winning the fight early but he simply gassed, if he fixes that then he wins in a rematch.

[Amazinshooter]

"Canelo isn't a defensive fighter, go watch his fights and find one where he is backing up for 8 rounds straight. If you can't find one then you have no argument. In the rematch, Canelo needs to work on his stamina, because that is the way to beat Golovin."

What I stated earlier

Opinion on this Mayweather actually throws back in those rounds, whereas Canelo gave rounds away by not throwing anything back basically. Work-output is relevant, he wasn't an effective defensive fighter because that's not what he's known for. He had to adjust and get on his bike for 8 rounds straight basically and did not throw enough punches.

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So I get where you're coming from, but the same can be said of Canelo, a counter puncher must counter effectively as well. My opinion on this is always going to be the boxer who fights in spurts is in effect giving away a round, even if he is landing flush. So scoring criteria, effective aggression, GGG jab was backing Canelo up, and after the 4th round he dictated the pace, Canelo started backing up. So that's the first criteria, scoring both not just one boxer triple G was just winning by being more active in many of those rounds. Second criteria, Ring Generalship, Canelo fought in the center and then gassed after the 4th round. Find me one fight where Canelo is backing up constantly after the 2-minute mark of every round, you can't because Canelo loves Mexican style. But on that night he lacked the stamina, to keep up with the work output. 3rd criteria is defense and yes if you're scoring defense, I think Canelo won this. So far 2/3 criteria have gone to triple g, and the last criteria hard and clear punches. So I gave Canelo 5 rounds, in 5 of those rounds he landed flush enough to win those rounds, however in the other rounds triple G was just jabbing him to death. The jab scores and the jab also backed him up. So 3 out of the 4 criteria basically went to GGG. I think Canelo was winning the fight early but he simply gassed, if he fixes that then he wins in a rematch.

"Canelo isn't a defensive fighter, go watch his fights and find one where he is backing up for 8 rounds straight. If you can't find one then you have no argument. In the rematch, Canelo needs to work on his stamina, because that is the way to beat Golovin."

What I stated earlier

Opinion on this Mayweather actually throws back in those rounds, whereas Canelo gave rounds away by not throwing anything back basically. Work-output is relevant, he wasn't an effective defensive fighter because that's not what he's known for. He had to adjust and get on his bike for 8 rounds straight basically and did not throw enough punches.

Fair enough I also understand where you're coming from. Hopefully the rematch takes place by May so they can settle it once and for all.

[theface07]

I noticed that these geezers are heavily emphasizing on what Canelo could of done a little more but hardly anything good said about Golovkins efforts!

This indicates that these critics really have a poor opinion of Golovkins performance but are they upset at Gennady for that? NO...I wonder why? there are TWO participants in a contest, why is Canelo who landed more flush punches on GGG than any other opponent that he faced singled out?

Because he was young, in his prime, elite level and was supposed to be Golovkin's toughest test to date. It doesn't matter if he landed some flush punches throughout the fight. He fought in spots and didn't do enough to win, at least not clearly. It was a closely matched affair. He's supposed to land good shots but just because you get in some good shots and have your moments in the fight doesn't mean you won. Go learn how to score a fight objectively, then come back when you have half a clue.

[Catrin]

4 rounds??? And that's being generous??? Jacobs got dropped???

Of course your only gonna give Canelo only 4 rounds Byrd. With a statement like "marketing machine" you CLEARLY are biased as ***!! So im not gonna waste my time with clowns who try and act fair but are CLEARLY biased as ***!!!

Glad to know you had your card filled out the night before CJ!

not even canelo's EX is that bitter...
relax you canelo Groupie
and byrd favored canelo not GGG
Pendejo!