Comments Thread For: 'PBC on FOX' Tripleheader Averaged 1.48 Million Viewers Saturday

[bigdunny1]

PBC is just the brand name for Haymon's televised fights. The Showtime shows are PBC. If Haymon has fighters and influence, PBC is just the brand name that represents those fighters and influence.

PBC has more world champions than ever. PBC has more Showtime dates than ever. Showtime is paying more than ever for PBC.

If PBC was such a failure, why does it have so many world champions? Why does it have so many Showtime dates? Why is Showtime paying so much for those dates?

The facts don't support your premise.

So haymon lost half a billion by buying time shares on network tv fishing for a network to pay him a TV deal for PBC fights that he produced just so he could sell fights to showtime like he was doing 3 years ago? Stop it those fights on Showtime are not really PBC fights. They are just putting up a banner to help haymon promote the PBC brand. Nothing more nothing less. But the fights are 100% produced by showtime and bought on a fight by fight basis. He has control and ownership over production and fights on FOX and every other PBC time buy network. Not showtime and it was evident by them turning down and refusing to pay or air Leo and Mares mismatches last weekend. No difference to haymon's relationship prior to launching PBC and buying all those time buys on other networks. Haymon having fights on showtime is not a sign of PBC being successful. The fact that every network he tried to sell PBC to closed their doors and said no means he has no choice but to go back to the old business model with premium cable (showtime). Again haymon will be just fine but PBC is just an empty banner, a company on death row that spent insane money looking for a network deal that never came.

[bigdunny1]

You're misrepresenting the facts.

First of all, UFC got themselves on Spike with a time buy and their TV package is about to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

Second of all, you have no idea how much money PBC has spent, let alone how much they have left. Not a clue.

The only network that cut bait on PBC was Spike and that's because Spike is shutting down and relaunching as a movie channel with a completely different branding and approach.

ESPN & NBC didn't cut bait. PBC canceled future dates once they realized FOX and CBS were far more likely to buy programming in the future.

Spence did over 6 million viewers on NBC. Thurman-Garcia did over 5 million on CBS. Thurman-Porter did over 3 million on CBS. Wilder-Duhaupas did over 3 million on NBC.

What bass fishing is doing those numbers?

Yes UFC started small got a time buy for little money on 1 network then produced great ratings for a long time and got a TV deal worth millions. PBC didn't start small paid insane money for time buys on half a dozen networks, lavish spending and ran out of money in 1 year while drawing shyt ratings and operating at a loss in a fight by fight basis. UFC was already profitable successful business with long track record of operations before they got their first TV deal. PBC has more in common with the XFL in terms of over spending and losing money with crap ratings then it does with the UFC which didn't try to take over the world over night.

And Spence drew ratings because the olympics he drew just 200K viewers early this year on showtime. lol If NBC thought those ratings were anything other then olympics they wouldn't of closed shop on PBC. And CBS closed shop on PBC series after year 1 ending the Sunday series and have only aired 1 card each of the last 2 years for a reason. Those 2 cards were produced and bought by showtime their sister station by the way. If CBS wanted PBC they would be airing more the 2 cards in 2 years.

NBC and ESPN both refused to air PBC anymore when PBC could no longer afford to pay them to air fights or finance their own fights. Saying they didn't cut bait and that PBC wanted it anyway is like your girl dumping you and you telling everyone here well I was getting tired of her anyway to try and save face. LMAO

And bass fishing and other nitch sports Avg more ratings on cable then the 100k viewers PBC on FS1 avgs. And many reruns on FOX avgs more ratings then the avg PBC card has drawn on FOX. And stop cherry picking 1 fight out of a entire broadcast on NBC leaving out the full broadcast rating or bringing up the one fight that aired during the Olympics. Local news in the middle or after the Olympics draw 10M viewers during Olympics. You think that many people care about the news or maybe people just leave their tvs on everywhere during the biggest sporting event in the world? That Spence rating don't mean shyt NBC knows it which is why they dumped PBC and it was proven it don't translate when nobody watched Spence next fight on showtime.

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So haymon lost half a billion by buying time shares on network tv fishing for a network to pay him a TV deal for PBC fights that he produced just so he could sell fights to showtime like he was doing 3 years ago?

You have no idea how much Haymon spent period, let alone what he spent on time buys. It was nowhere near the number you're suggesting.

The goal of the time buys was to convince networks to spend more money on boxing. Showtime is now spending more money on boxing. Let's see if FOX follows suit.

[bigdunny1]

You have no idea how much Haymon spent period, let alone what he spent on time buys. It was nowhere near the number you're suggesting.

The goal of the time buys was to convince networks to spend more money on boxing. Showtime is now spending more money on boxing. Let's see if FOX follows suit.

Showtime isn't spending more hell the purses are the same if not a little lower then what they were before PBC. and again why spend ANY money on time buys on other networks let alone hundreds of millions spread over half a dozen other networks just to keep sending fights to showtime? He already had that. And I'm quoting the amount the investors whos money was lost because of the pbc. Go look at their lawsuits. Stop trying to spin haymon doing business as usual with showtime as some sort of sign of success for the PBC. He tried to get a TV deal on different networks paid out the nose for it and it didn't happen because PBC was a failure. So he's back to the old model with showtime. The goal was boxing on free TV hell that was the pbc slogan. Now you saying the goal was lose half a billion on free tv just to keep boxing on premium cable like its always been? LMAO

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Yes UFC started small got a time buy for little money on 1 network then produced great ratings for a long time and got a TV deal worth millions.

UFC's time buy was very expensive and their ratings were worse than PBC. You're consistently posting blatantly false information.

PBC didn't start small paid insane money for time buys on half a dozen networks

You have no idea what PBC paid. Please stop lying. They didn't buy time on half a dozen networks. Every single thing you write is a lie.

lavish spending and ran out of money in 1 year

They're not out of money. More blatant lies.

while drawing shyt ratings

More lies. Over 6 million watched Spence. Over 5 million watched Thurman. Over 3 million watched Wilder. PBC on FOX has occasionally outdrawn UFC on FOX and typically does 75% of what UFC does. That is very solid and will likely result in a respectable TV deal with FOX.

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Showtime isn't spending more

You're wrong. Please quit lying. Showtime has noticeably increased their boxing budget over the last few years.

why spend ANY money on time buys on other networks

To prove to other networks that boxing is capable of drawing millions of viewers. Which will likely result in a network deal for PBC after the UFC rights are snatched up.

let alone hundreds of millions spread over half a dozen other networks

Just because you post a lie more than once doesn't change that it's a lie. PBC did not buy time on over half a dozen networks, let alone half a dozen networks. PBC did not spend hundreds of millions on time buys. Stop lying.

The NBC deal was announced at two years, $20 million. That's $10 million per year. $1 million per show. The second year wasn't guaranteed and PBC opted not to go through with all 20 dates as they realized FOX would be more likely than NBC to buy a package later on.

So that's about $10 million on time buys. Where's the other $490 million?

You're living in an alternate universe.

just to keep sending fights to showtime? He already had that.

Now they're paying more and more often.

And I'm quoting the amount the investors whos money was lost because of the pbc.

Please show me where the investors claimed hundreds of millions were spent on time buys like you've claimed.

We'll wait.

[bigdunny1]

UFC's time buy was very expensive and their ratings were worse than PBC. You're consistently posting blatantly false information.




You have no idea what PBC paid. Please stop lying. They didn't buy time on half a dozen networks. Every single thing you write is a lie.




They're not out of money. More blatant lies.




More lies. Over 6 million watched Spence. Over 5 million watched Thurman. Over 3 million watched Wilder. PBC on FOX has occasionally outdrawn UFC on FOX and typically does 75% of what UFC does. That is very solid and will likely result in a respectable TV deal with FOX.

Both had fights on spike who had better ratings you idiot? Of course PBC would have higher rating if you compare ONLY their network ratings to Spike and cable ratings. UFC did better ratings for the networks they were on then PBC on their respective networks. Its like saying PBC has a couple cards on FOX that draws more the UFC on FS1. No shyt FOX is in more homes its free tv. Leaving out the fact that you are ignoring that PBC is also on FS1 and only draw 100K which is nothing for FS1 and UFC does 1M which is great numbers on FS1. Both were on spike and PBC didnt even draw better ratings on spike then Bellatore which is no where near as big as UFC was for spike.
UFC had multiple cards thats drew over 3M ratings for spike. Those are the cable ratings along with other revenues that UFC brought to the table to get a actual tv deal not time buy from fox. PBC highest rating on spike was 869K viewers and that was the debut the ratings and plummeted after that as low as 300K. And they got dumped by spike. UFC wasnt on fox then but when they were they did better then PBC. At every comparable point UFC did better.

And PBC spent more money on 2 year time buys spread over like 6 networks then anything little UFC spend. UFC built slowly over time limiting spending. Only paying for 1 network time buy. The biggest debt they had according to wiki was 34M in losses at their lowest point. Yet even PBC own investors according to their lawsuit claim PBC losses are in the hundreds of millions. UFC was sold in 2001 and didn't get their FOX deal until 2011. They built slow, PBC had lavish spending an aggressive 2 year window to take over the sport over night and every time buy ended with none of the networks giving a flying phuk about them unsatisfied with their ratings and business model which is why none offered PBC a tv deal and the last time buy ends in Dec with no indications that FOX like NBC, like ESPN, like SPIKE will pay for this dumpster fire. Pure nonsense to compare this colossal mess to how the UFC built their brand and got their tv deal to PBC.

[bigdunny1]

You're wrong. Please quit lying. Showtime has noticeably increased their boxing budget over the last few years.




To prove to other networks that boxing is capable of drawing millions of viewers. Which will likely result in a network deal for PBC after the UFC rights are snatched up.




Just because you post a lie more than once doesn't change that it's a lie. PBC did not buy time on over half a dozen networks, let alone half a dozen networks. PBC did not spend hundreds of millions on time buys. Stop lying.

The NBC deal was announced at two years, $20 million. That's $10 million per year. $1 million per show. The second year wasn't guaranteed and PBC opted not to go through with all 20 dates as they realized FOX would be more likely than NBC to buy a package later on.

So that's about $10 million on time buys. Where's the other $490 million?

You're living in an alternate universe.




Now they're paying more and more often.




Please show me where the investors claimed hundreds of millions were spent on time buys like you've claimed.

We'll wait.

What rock you been living under that you have not heard about the lawsuit by the investors? But here you go
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/...ns-boxing-news

You posted the time buy for the airtime for only 1 network about 5 more to go then just nbc. And dumb azz it wasnt just the time buy contracts that put them in the hundreds of million in the hole, they also had to buy numerous fighter contracts, large fighter purses which they paid not the networks, a huge circle jumbotron worth millions that they transported around the country to use at all pbc events,



private jets one for haymon one for the fighters.

amp.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/43rbbz/did_al_haymon_actually_buy_a_private_jets/

They also spent millions to get a Oscar and Grammy winner to compose the music soundtracks for PBC

http://www.premierboxingchampions.co...s-zimmer%3famp

All these expenses for these fights are part of the hundreds of millions of the investors money the PBC lost

[Bronx2245]

Now let's get this rematch signed, sealed, and delivered! PBC represented the sport very well on Saturday!

[TBear]

Was a good show!