Comments Thread For: 'PBC on FOX' Tripleheader Averaged 1.48 Million Viewers Saturday

[Thetruthiserrol]

You pretending that this was just 1 PBC card that did bad ratings. No its not it's been a trend on FOX and NBC before that, and really every network that PBC bought time buys on. They don't draw the same ratings as UFC cards that's just a fact spin it however you want to sleep better at night. And whos fault is it that PBC chose to use these bad fights instead of a stacked card for one of his precious network dates? Haymon burned all his pbc money so he can't afford to make better fights on fox and sent them these mismatches this weekend that showtime publically trashed and refused to pay for.

Whether or not PBC gets a deal, depends on if FOX gets the UFC deal.

The last 6 UFC events averaged 2.125M whilst the last 6 PBC events averaged 1.52 million. The UFC (whose exclusive negotiating period with FOX has ended) are asking for around 450 million dollars per year, they're are currently getting 90-100 million dollars per year.

If FOX doesn't get the UFC deal (which accounts for a lot of programming - - fights on FOX, FS1 and Ultimate Fighter), they could fill up empty time slots with PBC, which would cost far less than 450 million dollars.

[bigdunny1]

I never said it'd be successful, I'm just a fan so for me I've got by and large good fights that are easily accessible. How is that a bad thing for fan of the sport ?

I don't know if they'll get a deal, I hope they do but it is what it is. But I guess we have to wait and see. I think they did all the time buys to block everyone else from doing it.

PBC got Espn interested enough in boxing that once their time buy ended to bring TR and GB over ( which is a good thing for boxing fans ) and PBC cards are doing better numbers then Top Rank Cards ( Minus PAC-Horn ) and puts on better fights then whatever dog sh.it Golden Boy puts on. I consider myself a pretty hardcore fan and even I rarely watch that sh.it GB put on. Rosado-Tapia , Herrera/Soto Karras , Sam O Sullivan pure f.ucking garbage, talk about wasting a opportunity

You Can't debate the facts that PBC fights for the last 3 years have been the most watched fights and consistently put on the best fights.

You signed up the day after the first PBC event just to sh.it on it and talking about its demise from day 1 but 3 years later it's still here putting up the most watched boxing matches while you sit in your basement complaining about everything

You are trying to move the goal post and change the arguement. From a business standpoint any metric you want to use PBC has been a failure. The fact they are still limping around today is not a sign of success they punted network dates they already paid for years ago because they ran out of money after year 1. They are not still in business because they got a network deal or because they have been thriving but rather because they virtually went out of business for months at a time last year refusing to use their dates amd airing nothing for long stretches which extended time on their time buys. Now the time buys are up and NBC, ESPN, SPIKE all closed shop when it finally happened. Because it is NOT a successful business thats why none of the networks which they spent millions trying to convince will pay for it. You have less then 2 months before the FOX the last time buy deal expires.

PBC has been a financial disaster flushing half a billion down the toilet with nothing to show for it but lawsuits from their investors. There will be a 30 for 30 10 years from now on how haymon managed to phuk this money and opportunity up.

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From a business standpoint any metric you want to use PBC has been a failure.

Haymon has more power than ever. Haymon has more world champions than ever. Haymon has more Showtime dates than ever. Haymon has a larger Showtime budget than ever. Haymon has FOX and FS1 and is in a great position to land a major deal if UFC leaves them.

If PBC has been such a failure, why do they have so many world champions and why is Showtime paying more than ever to feature them?

What experience do you have in business? What success have you had in business? How do we know you're not a loser in your mom's basement who is a giant failure in real life?

[bigdunny1]

Whether or not PBC gets a deal, depends on if FOX gets the UFC deal.

The last 6 UFC events averaged 2.125M whilst the last 6 PBC events averaged 1.52 million. The UFC (whose exclusive negotiating period with FOX has ended) are asking for around 450 million dollars per year, they're are currently getting 90-100 million dollars per year.

If FOX doesn't get the UFC deal (which accounts for a lot of programming - - fights on FOX, FS1 and Ultimate Fighter), they could fill up empty time slots with PBC, which would cost far less than 450 million dollars.

PBC draws anywhere from 50% to 30% fewer ratings while costing 10X more to operate and doesn't have the revenue streams, live gates, merchandise, sponsors like the UFC to counter those costs. Why would FOX pay for a business model like that? lol You are taking the lowest snap shot of UFC which is struggling by the way and even at their worst that shows you how wide the gap is between PBC and UFC. The previous FOX card drew less then 1M viewers maybe the worst rating for any live sporting event on weekend prime time in the history of broadcasting. And folks are now freaking out because UFC is at their lowest ratings drawing over 2M viewers.

These 2 companies are not related... FOX will be in a network bidding war when their deal is up for a successful billion dollar company that's profitable generates money in their events compared to a start up company that nobody cares about that just lost half a billion and every other network has closed their doors and turned them down. A product that literally loses money every event. Stop this illusion like PBC and UFC are on the same playing field. There is no TV deal they are time buy only and PBC isn't a substitute for losing UFC. This is acting like the MLS is comparable to the NFL on FOX. No matter how you try to frame it they are not comparable, FOX could lose PBC tomorrow and fill that time with more niche sports that draw the same 100K ratings on FS1 and put reruns for sitcoms on sat night that draw the same ratings on FOX for a fraction of the cost. If they lose UFC that is a real blow but nothing you can replace with PBC their not even a factor. They are not going to spend millions on a tv deal for a product nobody cares about that has a 3 year sample of bad ratings and costs too much money and operates at a loss.

[Thetruthiserrol]

PBC draws anywhere from 50% to 30% fewer ratings while costing 10X more to operate and doesn't have the revenue streams, live gates, merchandise, sponsors like the UFC to counter those costs. Why would FOX pay for a business model like that? lol You are taking the lowest snap shot of UFC which is struggling by the way and even at their worst that shows you how wide the gap is between PBC and UFC. The previous FOX card drew less then 1M viewers maybe the worst rating for any live sporting event on weekend prime time in the history of broadcasting. And folks are now freaking out because UFC is at their lowest ratings drawing over 2M viewers.

These 2 companies are not related... FOX will be in a network bidding war when their deal is up for a successful billion dollar company that's profitable generates money in their events compared to a start up company that nobody cares about that just lost half a billion and every other network has closed their doors and turned them down. A product that literally loses money every event. Stop this illusion like PBC and UFC are on the same playing field. There is no TV deal they are time buy only and PBC isn't a substitute for losing UFC. This is acting like the MLS is comparable to the NFL on FOX. No matter how you try to frame it they are not comparable, FOX could lose PBC tomorrow and fill that time with more niche sports that draw the same 100K ratings on FS1 and put reruns for sitcoms on sat night that draw the same ratings on FOX for a fraction of the cost. If they lose UFC that is a real blow but nothing you can replace with PBC their not even a factor. They are not going to spend millions on a tv deal for a product nobody cares about that has a 3 year sample of bad ratings and costs too much money and operates at a loss.

I didn't say PBC is on the same playing field as UFC. UFC is miles ahead in every department. That's why they are asking for the 450 million dollars.

But what you are saying about FOX not needing PBC is true.

Question, why do you think ESPN got a TV deal with TR? Since ESPN are losing viewers, firing NFL writers etc, what made them go for a 4 YR deal with TR?

[bigdunny1]

Haymon has more power than ever. Haymon has more world champions than ever. Haymon has more Showtime dates than ever. Haymon has a larger Showtime budget than ever. Haymon has FOX and FS1 and is in a great position to land a major deal if UFC leaves them.

If PBC has been such a failure, why do they have so many world champions and why is Showtime paying more than ever to feature them?

What experience do you have in business? What success have you had in business? How do we know you're not a loser in your mom's basement who is a giant failure in real life?

Haymon didn't put up his own money he will remain a factor in boxing the moment PBC loses the last network deal. Who is saying haymon is finished? PBC is on death row not haymon. He will simply go back to selling fights to showtime maybe go back to HBO. Just like when the XFL which was a disaster folded it didn't mean the end of Vince McMahon. He went back to WWE but it didn't change the fact that that XFL was a colossal failure.
PBC is a failure. And showtime ratings have been in the toilet since he launched PBC, he hasn't built any superstars with all those network dates, and he has a stable of inactive fighters which he doesn't have enough showtime dates to keep all of them happy. Fighters are going back to showtime because PBC is all but dead but they going back for the most part drawing worse ratings then they did years ago on showtime before PBC. You have already seen fighters defect and leave PBC signing with other promoters to get more fights.

You need to separate the 2 haymon from PBC. Haymon still has fighters and influence. PBC is on its death kneel.

[R_Walken]

You are trying to move the goal post and change the arguement. From a business standpoint any metric you want to use PBC has been a failure. The fact they are still limping around today is not a sign of success they punted network dates they already paid for years ago because they ran out of money after year 1. They are not still in business because they got a network deal or because they have been thriving but rather because they virtually went out of business for months at a time last year refusing to use their dates amd airing nothing for long stretches which extended time on their time buys. Now the time buys are up and NBC, ESPN, SPIKE all closed shop when it finally happened. Because it is NOT a successful business thats why none of the networks which they spent millions trying to convince will pay for it. You have less then 2 months before the FOX the last time buy deal expires.

PBC has been a financial disaster flushing half a billion down the toilet with nothing to show for it but lawsuits from their investors. There will be a 30 for 30 10 years from now on how haymon managed to phuk this money and opportunity up.

How am I changing the goalposts ?

All I said was that the rating did OK ( I didn't even say good ) and it's a top 5 viewed boxing telecast for 2017. Which when you consider the weight of the guys in the main events is probably pretty decent ( when was the last time 126 guys avg 1.5 million )

You then use it as a opportunity to go on the same tired routine about the demise of PBC. It's been 3 years you've predicted that they'd be closed now for the last 2 years because they'd be bankrupt , yet they are still around and putting on the most watched boxing fights year after year getting their fighters exposed to a larger audience then any other boxing platform

I don't get why you are so emotionally invested in PBC financial losses. Did you put all the $ you saved from living in your Moms basement and invest in Waddell? And now your nest egg is shot to sh.it and you have to stay there untill your in your 50s

Seriously why is it even a issue it's not your $ , I've never read a post from you saying GB is losing $ and the only fighter that's keeping them afloat is Canelo.

I don't know if it'll be successful and if it was me there's tones of things I'd do different with the PBC but I'm not going to knock a company that at least tried to expand my favourite sport to a wider audience, I wish more people involved in the sport did the same

All I know is whether a PBC fights avg 300k - 4 million you'll be on this forum chirping about how it's a failure and that PBC is a going to gone in the next 2 months and that trying to expand the sport is a bad thing

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You need to separate the 2 haymon from PBC. Haymon still has fighters and influence. PBC is on its death kneel.

PBC is just the brand name for Haymon's televised fights. The Showtime shows are PBC. If Haymon has fighters and influence, PBC is just the brand name that represents those fighters and influence.

PBC has more world champions than ever. PBC has more Showtime dates than ever. Showtime is paying more than ever for PBC.

If PBC was such a failure, why does it have so many world champions? Why does it have so many Showtime dates? Why is Showtime paying so much for those dates?

The facts don't support your premise.

[bigdunny1]

I didn't say PBC is on the same playing field as UFC. UFC is miles ahead in every department. That's why they are asking for the 450 million dollars.

But what you are saying about FOX not needing PBC is true.

Question, why do you think ESPN got a TV deal with TR? Since ESPN are losing viewers, firing NFL writers etc, what made them go for a 4 YR deal with TR?

Easy because top rank paid them. lol Just like PBC paid them and when they couldnt anymore ESPN stopped airing PBC. The difference is top rank is a successful promotional company they know how to sell tickets, keep costs low so events don't operate at a loss. Their purses for their cards are far less then PBC was on ESPN. They are not wasting millions on a ****** jumbotron, or millions on private jets and other foolish expenses like the PBC did. Who knows if these time buys lead to ESPN actually spending money and paying Top Rank later or leads to them creating their own streaming service. But I do know that top rank has been in business a long time and know what they doing and aren't going to blow half a billion in a year and a half. PBC as a company will be non existent because it was terrible business. Top rank will be a successful company even if they lose their ESPN deal tomorrow.

PBC is not recouping it's loses and FOX or any network wants nothing to do with paying for this mess. You don't go from only being on TV because you pay networks to do so then perform horribly in the test run phase, lose insane amounts of money and every network cut bait from you then expect the last network to just bid against them selves and fork over millions for what? Ratings you can get from bass fishing and sitcom reruns for a fraction of the cost? LMAO

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You don't go from only being on TV because you pay networks to do so then perform horribly in the test run phase, lose insane amounts of money and every network cut bait from you then expect the last network to just bid against them selves and fork over millions for what? Ratings you can get from bass fishing and sitcom reruns for a fraction of the cost? LMAO

You're misrepresenting the facts.

First of all, UFC got themselves on Spike with a time buy and their TV package is about to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

Second of all, you have no idea how much money PBC has spent, let alone how much they have left. Not a clue.

The only network that cut bait on PBC was Spike and that's because Spike is shutting down and relaunching as a movie channel with a completely different branding and approach.

ESPN & NBC didn't cut bait. PBC canceled future dates once they realized FOX and CBS were far more likely to buy programming in the future.

Spence did over 6 million viewers on NBC. Thurman-Garcia did over 5 million on CBS. Thurman-Porter did over 3 million on CBS. Wilder-Duhaupas did over 3 million on NBC.

What bass fishing is doing those numbers?