Comments Thread For: Andrade: I Hope Golovkin Finds The Balls To Fight Me Next!

[yankees7448]

if you were correct, and Ward could not make 168..... then Golovkin is a super-b1tch, for attempting to drain him

what don't you understand about that..... ?

If I am correct then what is the alternative. Ward comes in at whatever the **** he wants.

if you were incorrect, and Ward could make 168..... then Golovkin is still a super-b1tch, for attempting to drain him.....

Says the man whose been spending hours of his time whining about GGG not dropping down to fight Cotto and Canelo.

other than the fact that Ward punked lil'G - to speculate/insinuate that he could not make weight

Ward hadn't made the weight since 2013 and was inactive. Its not idle speculation.

Michael Yormack forwarded an offer to Loeffler, and that offer was rejected in 36 minutes with NO offer of negotiation..... what don't you understand about that?
Ward explained what happened, and Yormack supplied the details..... there is absolutely nothing contradictory about that

In the article Yormack said they didn't even get to discuss weight because the offer was rejected so quickly. In the video Ward explicitly said everything including money and weight was split down the middle to show GGG's team they were serious about the fight but that they rejected the offer within a half hour. These are completely contradictory statements.

1) Ward had made 168 MANY times
2) Bull****kin never fought outside 160, EVER

But not since 2013.

also, Ward has never missed weight

Because he moved up when he did come back to fight more consistently.

you speculated that Ward could not make 168, because you said that "he never actually showed he could"..... despite the fact that Ward is a consummate professional who has made 168 on plenty of occasions.....

I am not talking about Ward's entire career. The only part of his career that is relevent to the discussion was the time period that overlapped the period where GGG went from unknown Euro fighter to HBO darling. GGG didn't make his first appearance at HBO until September 2012. For one reason or another Ward has only fought at 168 2 times since that period.

1) only silly casual-fans and pac-tards rate a fighter based on "power doe"..... " powah doe " did not help Golovkin with Canelo now, did it?

Its still an advantage Adama had as an opponent compared to the feather fisted Sergio Mora who has had only 3 stoppage victories since 2010.

2) Mora beat Vernon Forrest, who is levels above anyone Adama ever beat

Mora beat Forrest so long ago that it was not relevant to the discussion. He beat Forrest all the way back in 2008. Who gives a *****?

Adama was a poor opponent, and the faded ex-champ Mora was a no-brainer..... what don't you understand about that?

Both guys were ***** opponents but one guy had more power and performed better against better opposition more recently. The fact that you would stoop so low as to whine about GGG picking one bum over the other just goes to show how pathetic you are.

uh, NOPE..... I most definitely did not "mischaracterized" you AHAHAHAHAH

you said..... when Golovkin said 154-168, he meant AT 160..... AND YOU KNOW IT !!

No I didn't.

he did.....

He didn't.

he refused Cotto AND Canelo..... and when he finally agreed to face the fat red kid he probably made less money due to his poor showing with Jacobs, in a fight he likely lost

So the guy who was whining about my "speculation on weight" despite the fact that I have actual reason to justify that speculation is now speculating on how much money GGG lost out on despite not knowing anything about the dollar amount.

so, answer the question..... why did Mr "anyone from 154-168" totally refuse to negotiate on weight with little old faded 153lb Cotto..... who was his best possible payday at that point in time?

#1. Canelo was always the better payday for GGG.
#2. As I said a million times. GGG was the mandatory challenge at the time of the video with Cotto in it. No need to negotiate the weight. The video with GGG took place roughly a year later and GGG was no longer the mandatory challenger. Thus he was willing to negotiate the weight since he had no leverage to force the fight at a weight he felt comfortable at.

[uppercut510]

Wtf is going on here?

great question!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aboutfkntime]

what do you mean no he didn't? yes he did. he fought stevens instead of mora. were you not paying attention? stevens turned down gggs first offer and wanted more moeny and mora said ill take it. stevens then came back to the table and accepted it. where is teh duck in that? fightng a higher ranked more popular fighter that hbo wants is ducking? ******. i dont know why you would even bring up adama. not even an hbo fight so no money in that for mora. making up fake fantasy ducks is so pathetic. you prob think ward didnt duck bute but ggg ducked mora lmao.

"So I don't have to go to Lucian Bute right now," Ward said. "We're going to sit back and I'm going to rest and we'll see what's next. I'm open for a Mikkel Kessler clash. I would love to get that rematch"

not looking at bute? looking at kessler rematch wtf...

I'm just gonna be frank with you: He has to beat somebody, an A-level guy, to get a shot."

proceeds to try and fight sartison in his next fight, which a-level guy did sartison beat andre (full of sh-it) ward?

not really sure what the rest of your post is. some drivel about how ggg only fights certain styles? still rolling with that after hes fought all the top guys??? doesnt hold much water anymore but sure ok. still bringing up guys not even in his division? so pathetic. lets find the guys that never wanted to fight ggg and pretend tehy would beat him even though they arent in his division and made no realistic attempt to fight him(dont bother mentioning wards offer tune-up first then postposting the cotto-canelo wbc fight) i said realistic attempt. what other fighters can say they fought all the top guys in their division like this??? still hating and bringing up mora haha thats when you know you are grasping for straws. just name the fighter that has fought the 3 top guys in his division since ggg only fights bums. must be a lot of them! oh wait ggg didnt ko them so hes a fraud! we've been tricked! we are muppets!

you seem to have missed the point

did Golovkin fight Mora AFTER Stevens..... ?

did he fight him anytime..... ?

alright then

so..... he could have fought an ex-champ on HBO, but he preferred to fight a nobody somewhere else

risk/reward baby

and we know why.....

" let's hope somebody stands in front of him so that he can..... if not, then we'll never see it "

the thing is..... it's not like Mora is the only one, Lara/Ward are also mover/spoilers who are notoriously difficult to look good against..... and Loeffler pulled the that exact same bullshht with them

he moaned about them being a draw, and not a good opponent.... and then fought someone WORSE lol

the jig is up dude

unless you want to explain to me why Golovkin totally refused to negotiate on weight with two SUPERSTARS..... and then stated that he is willing and able to fight at 154 before throwing up his hands in frustration while claiming that nobody will step up and fight him ?

didn't think so

[aboutfkntime]

your criticism of him is that he didnt knock everyone out? just shows the amazingly high standards you have for him. it used to be he only fights bums. now that he beat everyone he didn't ko them! wow this is really getting bad. what if he had ko'd them all? well he didnt do it in the first roudn! keep those goal posts moving!

no, my criticism of Golovkin is that they are playing the exact same risk/reward game as everyone else, just better..... and yet because of their lies/bullshht, you simpletons are claiming that he is some kind of avoided killer..... which is utter nonsense

the fights that Golovkin COULD have taken, but CHOSE not to..... are glaring proof of that


I totally understand about Ward, they would have been ****** to fight him..... all risk/little reward, and he was completely unnecessary

fk Ward

and I kind of understand about Lara..... but, really..... ?

Mora/Cotto, and to a lesser extent Saunders..... were absolute no-brainer's, they should have JUMPED on those fights..... because of the timing with Mora/BJS, and because Cotto is an absolute superstar

at that point, Mora was an opportunity..... there is no way to spin that.....

the superstar Cotto, should have been the ultimate goal of every fighter from 140-160, other than May/Pac..... and now Canelo..... but at that point in time, Cotto was the very best option, because May/Pac were totally unrealistic and never going to happen

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refusing to negotiate on weight with the little old faded SUPERSTAR Miguel Cotto..... is the 2nd most bizarre occurrence within boxing that I have witnessed within the last decade

I cannot believe how little was spoken about that situation, both from the media and from the fans..... totally bizarre..... every other fighter from 140-160 would have cut off one of his fingers for that fight, and yet Golovkin would not so much as lift his little finger to make that fight, totally refusing to drop a single pound to fight the 153lb superstar

then later, Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that nobody at 154 was willing to fight him..... WTF?????

and the same with Saunders..... he is the missing piece of the puzzle, in a highly winnable fight..... right???

they have not taken the slightest risk with Golovkin, he is extremely well-managed

excellent fighter, just wish they had taken his training wheels off a little earlier

[aboutfkntime]

You asked about my speculation and then GGG's team supposedly asking about 164. One thing has **** all to do with the other. Not complicated.

that was a whiney, dribbley, crybaby, comment

it was nothing

you LITERALLY should not have wasted your/my time

excuse-making muppet

[aboutfkntime]

Its been refuted repeatedly. The video and the article took place roughly a year apart and under different circumstances. The article was written during the period in which GGG was the mandatory opponent for the belt Cotto and then Canelo held. The video was made after Cotto lost the belt and then Canelo gave it up so GGG no longer had any leverage to push for things to be at 160. Why do you keep acting as if its a mystery that has gone unexplained?

so fkn what..... ?

FACT: that video was taken AFTER Canelo dropped the belt, removing all of your childish excuses..... right ?

lil'G totally refused to negotiate on weight with Cotto/Canelo..... killing BOTH of those fights..... he then stated that he is willing and able to fight at 154 before throwing up his hands in frustration while claiming that nobody will step up and fight him..... LOOOOL

..... and the reason why, is because Canelo would have beaten lil'G at 155, and Cotto would have given him hell

Golovkin has carried risk/reward waaaaay too far, which is why he is 36yo with a shht resume..... Golovkin wants no risk/all reward..... as Sanchez proved when he stated that Gennady does not care about legacy and will only fight on his terms..... oh, and Sanchez also admitted that he knew they had to match Golovkin correctly or his vaunted power is largely ineffective..... like we saw with Jacobs/Canelo..... and like SMART posters (not you) knew would happen with Lara/Ward

you muppets got played

just saying

keep pretending like Golovkin is on Wards level

not even close LMAO

[aboutfkntime]

lets enter the mind of a ggg hater....

GGG HASNT FOUGHT ANYONE!!!

fast forward...




YEAH BUT HE DIDN'T KO THEM!!!!

he avoided MUCH riskier fights than he has taken

which is why he is 36yo with a shht resume

could have been.....
Ward
Mora
Lara
Cotto
Canelo
Saunders

but you got.....
Pepe Le Pew
Jacobs*
Canelo*

the jig is up

[aboutfkntime]

BEFORE **** got real:

“We’ve always said that if there is a compelling fight, Gennady would move up or down, we’ve talked about moving up to 168 for Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. because that would be a pay-per-view fight and if it’s Canelo, then I’m sure that we could work out a catchweight if he wanted to work out a catchweight and if it’s in his best interest. So that would certainly be a pay-per-view fight,” said Loeffler.

“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.”


AFTER **** got real:






Loeffler also made this claim.....

"Now if Canelo vacates the title and it becomes a voluntary fight down the road in 2017, then anything is negotiable - the money, location and weight."

but after Canelo vacated, B1tchkin still refused to negotiate on weight.....




you all been played like a ho's vibrator LMAO

[john l]

no, my criticism of Golovkin is that they are playing the exact same risk/reward game as everyone else, just better..... and yet because of their lies/bullshht, you simpletons are claiming that he is some kind of avoided killer..... which is utter nonsense

the fights that Golovkin COULD have taken, but CHOSE not to..... are glaring proof of that


I totally understand about Ward, they would have been ****** to fight him..... all risk/little reward, and he was completely unnecessary

fk Ward

and I kind of understand about Lara..... but, really..... ?

Mora/Cotto, and to a lesser extent Saunders..... were absolute no-brainer's, they should have JUMPED on those fights..... because of the timing with Mora/BJS, and because Cotto is an absolute superstar

at that point, Mora was an opportunity..... there is no way to spin that.....

the superstar Cotto, should have been the ultimate goal of every fighter from 140-160, other than May/Pac..... and now Canelo..... but at that point in time, Cotto was the very best option, because May/Pac were totally unrealistic and never going to happen

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refusing to negotiate on weight with the little old faded SUPERSTAR Miguel Cotto..... is the 2nd most bizarre occurrence within boxing that I have witnessed within the last decade

I cannot believe how little was spoken about that situation, both from the media and from the fans..... totally bizarre..... every other fighter from 140-160 would have cut off one of his fingers for that fight, and yet Golovkin would not so much as lift his little finger to make that fight, totally refusing to drop a single pound to fight the 153lb superstar

then later, Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that nobody at 154 was willing to fight him..... WTF?????

and the same with Saunders..... he is the missing piece of the puzzle, in a highly winnable fight..... right???

they have not taken the slightest risk with Golovkin, he is extremely well-managed

excellent fighter, just wish they had taken his training wheels off a little earlier

And how many times do you hear the name Danny Jacobs come out of his mouth anymore.Im not a ggg hater but him and his promoter would like him to go away.And I had ggg winning by a point in 1st

[yankees7448]

so fkn what..... ?

FACT: that video was taken AFTER Canelo dropped the belt, removing all of your childish excuses..... right ?

lil'G totally refused to negotiate on weight with Cotto/Canelo..... killing BOTH of those fights

You are amazing in your ability to twist reality into something its not. You say GGG killed the fight with Canelo even though he just fought Canelo. You say GGG killed the fight with Cotto even though Cotto has shown zero interest in fighting a legit challenge with low financial reward since 2012 when he lost to Austin Trout. Cotto never wanted that fight and you know it.

Secondly, you go on and on about how GGG's unwillingness to fight at a catchweight killed those fights while also killing the Ward fight because he supposedly tried to make Ward come down to 164. By your own faulty logic Ward should be blamed for killing the fight by not being willing to negotiate on weight. What's sad is that you don't seem to recognize your own hypocrisy.

keep pretending like Golovkin is on Wards level

Oh for ****s sake. What are you talking about? My criticism of Ward has never been that he wasn't as good as GGG. My criticism of Ward has never been that he was afraid of GGG. In fact, I've repeatedly said that I think Ward would win the fight and any doubt of that was erased by his performances against Kovalev. Furthermore, before I immortalized your racist assumption for all the people on this site to see I had a pound for pound list. I updated it at least 3 times and Andre Ward was ranked #1 two of those times. The one time he wasn't ranked #1 was when he retired and in that case I moved Terrance Crawford into that spot.

My problem with Ward is with people like you not recognizing that his calling out of GGG was purely a marketing move. I never thought he could seriously get down to 168 but he was using GGG's increasing popularity to keep himself from becoming totally irrelevant during his long periods of inactivity. Oh and that he was completely hypocritical when he criticized GGG for calling out smaller fighters like Cotto and Canelo in the same ****ing conversation he called out a smaller fighter.