Comments Thread For: Hunter on Kovalev: Russian Fighters Don't Do Well in Dog Fights!

[My Low Place]

I never liked fighters from the Eastern bloc. All dirty asf

LOL how many times had ward ened fights on headbutts and low blows? and u want to talk dirty? lol waht a joke..

[JimmyD729]

Wow, xenophobic much?

[Leonis]

In my view Eastern Europeans are better than Americans in every department except for running and wrestling

[kafkod]

Absolutely and unequivocaly not!

Most of those people in the crowd were casuals!

Did you see the ticket prices?

You think the common spectators knows anything about fundamentals and walking to use the ring as well as using the ropes to your advantage?!


They wanted to see Canelo get knocked out and it didn't happen so Instead of blaming the guy that's supposed to do it, they blamed the man that's not supposed to let it happen! Logic LOL

Plus, it a been well documented that Mexicans hate on their own especially if their successful and that honestly goes for every ethnicity!

With success breeds jealousy and hate!

I dont know why people thought Canelo is some brawler, he's a counter puncher that fights off the back foot, in the middle, off the ropes and has now shown foot movement as well!.

I told you fools watch if Canelo brings another wrinkle to his game that he'll make GGG not look like a monster but a guy just swinging and missing an thats what we saw!

A man swinging and missing and not adjusting and with bad advice from a coach!

Before the fight... I started a thread asking if GGG might have as many fans as Canelo in the arena and I got crucified for being a moron and a GGG ballgagger.

I was called a dumb fanboy idiot for even asking if Li'l Mr 97k might bring as many fans to the fight as the A side Mexican superstar.

After the fight ... "It was a Golovkin crowd. They was all GGG fanboy casuals"

So now who's making excuses?

Kind of weird that the same crowd who cheered Canelo like crazy during the intros had turned into Golovtards by the end of the fight innit?

[bluepete]

That was not a dog fight LOL, that was a boxing match in which GGG tried to make it a dog fight but if you look at his face after the fight in his dressing room you would absolutely believe he lost and got dogged in a dog fight LOL!

Here come the excuses, we all said if GGG loses or if Canelo makes him look ordinary we didn't want to here the excuses and low behold look at who's been chatting the most!

Team GGG know they been gifted a draw but since so many are sympathetic of his performance they're using what others say to cover their own a$$es from a crap job GGG did at adjustments and Disabled Sanchez as a coach!

Canelo has more pro fights and fought tougher competition which means he'll have gone thru more with his body than GGG who's been crushing garbage truck drivers and house arrest fighters!

Disabled Sanchez even refutes your statement, he said Canelo has more wear and tear than GGG so I wanna see once again how you and GGG fanatics explain this!

How you GGG fan club members gonna explain this one?

Sanchez says GGG is the second best middle of all time. Why are you suddenly taking he's word on wear and tear? He talks alot of ****. He doesn't think Mike Tyson was a dominant champion during the 80s ffs. Now nothing changes the fact that you're not the same athleticaly at 35 as at 25. As for being gifted a draw you've got a right to your opinion, but you do realise you're out of step with the way most observers and boxing experts saw it right? What was your prediction for the fight? Did you think Canelo would "destroy" Golovkin?

[Commie]

The whisperer never built a fighter Never had success besides coWard
Just Salty kovalev didn't pick him

[jas]

Bad examples

I dont think the fighters he cited have a lack of heart and russian fighters do have heart especially eastern europeans in general

Some fighters are more technical and more outside fighters. Perhaps a better way to put it is fighters like klitschko and kova have a lack of an inside game.

Is he gonna label all black american fighters weak hearted because of dirrel bros ?

[Squ□redCircle34]

Sanchez says GGG is the second best middle of all time. Why are you suddenly taking he's word on wear and tear. Nothing changes the fact that you're not the same athleticaly at 35 as at 25. As for being gifted a draw you've got a right to your opinion, but you do realise you're out of step with the way most observers and boxing experts saw it right?

Becuz GGG says he don't like people who talk too much but yet he has the biggest doting mouthpiece in boxing advising him!

Thanks for the look out, Able "Full O' Sh!+" Sanchez is his new nickname from your telling me!

GGG at 35 has not been in many tough fights if any at all in his career!

He's fought mostly guys coming up in weight, laundromat workers, and welters so the wear and tear question is accurate since ggg fanatics keep mentioning his age now that Canelo made him look subpar!

I don't realizing anything, I can think for myself unlike most people especially GGG fanatics who keep mentioning "boxing experts" and observers!

I guess if you seen someone murder someone else but everyone says it was a suicide you'd be also "out of step" huh?!

[PunchyPotorff]

Russian fighters... lol... so now he's painting an entire country a certain way lol... Let's all take a knee...

That's about what I was gonna say. I guess only Russian fights lose after getting punched in the ballz.

[Rip Chudd]

And Andre Ward doesn't do well in clean fights, or fights on even playing fields period, which is why fought almost his entire career in his home city, home-or-adjacent state(s), or home country, and which is why it has since been admitted by Ken Herschmann, head of Showtime sports at the time, that the foundation of Ward's so-called "legacy," the Super 6 tournament, was hand-picked and puppetered by Herschmann to advantage Ward or Dirrell, but especially Ward, in order to "create an American star," or "Showtime's Floyd Mayweather."

The entire Super 6 was "set up to create an American star," meaning they planned for Ward to win, and set up the tournament to accomplish just that outcome by making every other boxer travel besides Ward, and by selecting only slower, European style opponents, mostly past prime (Kessler) or blown-up in weight (Arthur Abraham), who they knew would favor Ward's style.

How did they know that would favor Ward's style? Well Virgil or Ward's team must have told them, because if you look at Ward's resumé, you'll find they knew the exact same thing, and kept Ward well protected from styles that would pull back the curtain on the illusion that he was some generational talent. They were willing to fight all the Arthur Abraham's, Mikkel Kessler's, and Carl Froch's of the world, and heck, even the apex of that style, Sergey Kovalev, but only after they caught wind that he was no longer dedicated to boxing anymore around the time of his son's birth, and that had started drinking and so forth, but they were never once willing to fight the athletic southpaws around their weight, from Lucian Bute to James Degale to Adonis Stevenson, or even the other athletic fighters period, such as Andre Dirrell.

Ward has always been a defensive boxer with a combination skills, speed, and power that ranged from B-level to A-minus, but never A-level or A-plus, so in order to create the illusion he was truly elite, despite lacking the A-plus elite level abilities of say a Floyd Mayweather or Roy Jones, they had to always match him only against guys with C-level to B-level speed, skills, and power. This created the illusion that Andre Ward had elite hand speed, when really Froch, Abraham, and Kessler simply had slow hand speed. This created the illusion that Ward had elite skills, when really it was that his opponents, and you can throw in Sakio Bika and Edwin Rodriguez as well, all fought the clumsier, slower, "pressure ****er" style that made Ward appear more than he was.

And of course, when Team Ward finally had to match Ward against a real opponent in order to get on PPV and attempt to make Ward a PPV star for the future, even if it was one who they had the advantage of knowing (another pre-fight advantage for Andre Ward! Has any boxer ever gotten more??) from spies in his camp that he hadn't been training the same, that he had been drinking, and that he was having major stamina problems, Team Ward knew they could no longer make Ward look dominant, so their plan was at least to keep undefeated... win today, look good tomorrow... and to do that, they needed major help from the referee and the judges. But, given that both Showtime, HBO, and the American boxing establishment at large have been trying to make Ward into a star for the last decade, and have poured lots of unreturned money into him, and were never going to jeopardize all that just to be fair to a "racist Russian" they all seem to dislike, that was never going to be a problem.

But it looks like the whole time they thought they were conning boxing fans in order to make big $$$ off the long-con later, it was actually Andre Ward conning them. They got him to agree to fight one single real, not incidentally pay-per-view, opponent, I guess because he knew his career would be seen as a joke if he never did, and then the mandated rematch, but only once they agreed to overpay him by a mile, expecting that a second fixed "win" over Kovalev would propel Ward to superstardom where they could make their money back off him, but instead, Ward took their money and ran off at age 33 with his money, his health, and the "AMAZING" legacy that exists in his head precisely because they put it there.

All this time they were busy brainwashing fans so they could make money off Ward, they didn't realize they were brainwashing Ward even worse than the fans, to the point that he become so self-satisfied with his "exceptional" career that he didn't even feel any desire to fight the best anymore.

But that's what Showtime and HBO never understood from the beginning: Ward never did. They made the mistake of trying to make a PPV star out of someone who didn't want to fight PPV opponents. I guess they got tricked by Floyd Mayweather, who was somehow able to sell millions of PPVs without fighting top opponents, but that was a very unique case. With Ward, that didn't work out so well, sales wise. But they were so in love with the fact he was an American gold medalist that they seemed to overlook everything else. In the future, they would be smart to learn from that, and start favoring the boxers who will fight the best, regardless of whether they are American, rather than always favoring American boxers, regardless of whether they will fight the best.

In closing, the formula for creating the illusion of Andre Ward's career has been as follows:

1. Cherry pick slow, unathletic, unskilled "plodder" style opponents in order to make Ward's good skills and athleticism appear "great," and then use refs that will let Ward foul those opponents endlessly on top of all that in order to fatigue those plodder opponents and take away one of the only two advantages they did have over Ward, power, and in order to protect Ward's chin, which is the other advantage they had. Also make every fight in Ward's backyard in order to help him feel more comfortable than his opponents, since small advantages add up in boxing.

2. The one time they had to pick a top opponent, delay the fight until the perfect time, when the opponent is 33 years old (1 year past the end of most offensive boxer's primes), and only after the moles in his camp, either paid off or friendly to Ward due to their own nationalist biases (i.e. more hometown favoritism for Ward), tell him that this opponent is not dedicated to boxing anymore, and has drinking problems, etc. Then after losing to that opponent even despite those things, have establishment Vegas judges in place to protect your record. Then for the rematch, juice up so much there is acne all over your back for the first time as a pro, and have the referee bought off too to stop the fight on a succession of fouls.

All of that was supposed to make Ward a PPV star, but not only did they overrate how many people would pay to see him cheat and be protected through another fight, it seems they underestimated Sergey Kovalev as well, because after 20 rounds with the Krusher, the man who was planning moves to Cruiserweight and Heavyweight afterwards has since retired. The biased judges saw one thing in those fights, but the fans saw another, and the toll those 20 rounds took on Ward's body is just more evidence of who really won their fights, as much as any winner can be declared for the second fight given the ref stopped it early (I believe Kovalev was on his way to winning that fight even with all the fouling and the resulting fatigue that got him caught and hurt. Ward fans will disagree. Due to Tony Weeks likely corruption, none of us will ever know). Judging the 20 rounds as one, however, which is really all you can do given the second fight was stopped on fouls, I had Kovalev winning more rounds than Ward, landing more punches than Ward, scoring more knockdowns than Ward, being the effective aggressor much more than Ward, and judging from Ward's retirement, doing more damage to Ward than Ward did to him. On the flipside, there were rounds where Ward landed the snappier shots, but I've had experts tell me that snappier does not always mean harder, and Ward's retirement may be evidence of that.

In any case, we can all agree on one thing, boxing is in a much better place now that it can move forward from an era where Andre Ward, Floyd Mayweather, and Bernard Hopkins took far too many significant dates in the boxing calender away from the next generation of true, clean boxers who are much less picky in who they choose to fight. It's time for boxing to focus on those guys, guys who will fight anyone and bring the sport back to where it should be. No more cherry picking. No more holding and elbowing and headbutting and cheating. Let's have real boxing, and real matchups, again!

Dude nobody is gonna read that term paper you just wrote