Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[travestyny]

I thought genuinely you were simple but after that last post I'm thinking it has to be much worse, such as serious brain damage or drug psychosis, how is it a USADA rule

Also can you explain in your words what rule 4 in the contract means to you, this should be a laugh and a half

Sure. I'm always here to help you. Now try to pay attention, little guy.

#4 from the contract talks about which part of the code is most important for anti-doping. Even in this part, it says the other part of the code that is not expressly mentioned in the contract still applies! I've shown you this but you refuse to acknowledge it. I wonder why.

#5 from the contract talks about which part is going to be important for procedural rules.

The part from the code that you specifically showed, 14.1 and more, is about PROCEDURAL RULES. First of all, 14.1 says that these rules will come from the ADO that has rules management, which is USADA. So right away, that proves that you're wrong about this part being left out.

Second, the contract also says these rules comes from USADA's Protocol, which is obviously not adverse to WADA's rules. It uses most of WADA's rules and then makes the rules SPECIFIC TO USADA, which is still NOT AGAINST WADA'S RULES. If anything it is more confining than WADA's rules because it narrows everything down to be specifically about USADA.

There is nothing in this contract that is against WADA's rules. Period. If you can't understand that...

then we need to get that perma ban bet on and poppin. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Again and hopefully for the last time:

Contract section 4: Anti-Doping
Contract section 5: Procedural rules


Got that?

[Shape up]

[QUOTE=Shape up;18154109]

From the contract----------- Rules 4 mayweather and pacquaio agree that articles 1 through 10 and 24.2 and the associated definitions, of the world anti doping code shall be the substantive anti doping rules for all purposes in relation to the competition and the period of pre and post competition testing provided for in this agreement---------now let's look at the definition of substantive again, HAVING A SEPARATE AND INDEPENDANT EXISTANCE--------- so the contract says that articles 1-10 and 24.2 from the WADA code have a SEPARATE AND INDEPENDANT EXISTANCE from all the other anti doping rules FOR ALL PURPOSES IN RELATION TO THE COMPETITION---------IS THIS CORRECT WEASELS, a simple yes or no

Here is where they state that articles1-10 and 24.2 WILL BE THE RULES FOR THE COMPETITION which means all other articles they are exempt from, Floyd paid usada for the right to cheat and take peds, you can try all you want to justify what fluid IVayweather did but the contracts are proof he's a cheat

[Shape up]

Sure. I'm always here to help you. Now try to pay attention, little guy.

#4 from the contract talks about which part of the code is most important for anti-doping. Even in this part, it says the other part of the code that is not expressly mentioned in the contract still applies! I've shown you this but you refuse to acknowledge it. I wonder why.

#5 from the contract talks about which part is going to be important for procedural rules.

The part from the code that you specifically showed, 14.1 and more, is about PROCEDURAL RULES. First of all, 14.1 says that these rules will come from the ADO that has rules management, which is USADA. So right away, that proves that you're wrong about this part being left out.

Second, the contract also says these rules comes from USADA's Protocol, which is obviously not adverse to WADA's rules. It uses most of WADA's rules and then makes the rules SPECIFIC TO USADA, which is still NOT AGAINST WADA'S RULES. If anything it is more confining than WADA's rules because it narrows everything down to be specifically about USADA.

There is nothing in this contract that is against WADA's rules. Period. If you can't understand that...

then we need to get that perma ban bet on and poppin. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Again and hopefully for the last time:

Contract section 4: Anti-Doping
Contract section 5: Procedural rules


Got that?

Isn't UCHETA supposed to impose the full wada code, yes or no, keep in mind what substantive means, separate and independant

[travestyny]

Isn't UCHETA supposed to impose the full wada code, yes or no, keep in mind what substantive means, separate and independant

USADA does impose the full wada code, idiot.

And if you had to look up substantive, you shouldn't be having this conversation. Substantive means more than that, you dope. And even if taken that way, it doesn't change the fact that the full WADA Code was enforced, you dope.

I already told you. Go find where the contract veers away from the WADA Code. You can't do it. The part you pointed out is followed, dummy.


It goes like this:

YOU say that USADA isn't following WADA's Code.

WADA's Code says the rule is that this information is up to USADA:

14.1 Information Concerning Adverse Analytical Findings, Atypical Findings, and other Asserted Anti-Doping Rule Violations
14.1.1 Notice of Anti-Doping Rule Violations to athletes and other Persons
The form and manner of notice of an asserted anti-doping rule violation shall be as provided in the rules of the anti-doping organization with results management responsibility.

USADA shows where the rules provided by them:

CONTRACT:

Mayweather and Pacquiao agree that sections 5, 9-13, 16, 17a, and 21 of the United States Anti-Doping Agency Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing shall constitute the procedural rules applicable to any Results Management Services provided hereunder.

You say USADA broke WADA's rules...by doing what WADA's rules say. LMAO. Just give up. I'm tired of this. It's over.

[ADP02]

Adp02 is a full pact@rd but to call him SPOONS alternate account......

I thought to myself ...."that's a bit harsh. Spoon is a certified weirdo"




But then I remembered ADP02 and his infamous "WHIZZINATOR" qoute.




Damn. They are both ****ed in the head.


Carry on destroying what's left of their miserable life.

I gave Travestyny a quote from Tygart that I had in my notes. I posted what I had.

BUT that is what Tygart said soon after Floyd began accusing Manny but now that same Tygart and friends are talking differently.

What you avoided is that with notice, Tygart admits that the athlete can often do something to thwart the testers. When asked if the notice was from 72 hours to 10 minutes, Tygart always said YES, the athlete can.

So you went and used 1 word from Tygart's full statement. Even then, athletes have used that scheme and also used catheters ... and when I say athletes, I do not mean someone trying to pass his job entrance drug test.

Mike Tyson had admitted to using the Whiz scheme. Others too. Same goes with catheter but there are plenty of schemes that have and can be used. That you will ignore!




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[ADP02]

LMAOOOOO. Go talk to other athletes who cheat? Did you really just say that????


LMAOOO. Dude, you're a complete idiot. Lance Armstrong's number one method for cheating was NOT keeping his blood values artificially high 24/7, you ****ing idiot.

1. His first method was simply running away and not taking the test at all.

2. He also had the advantage of tests being not up to par, especially for his drug of choice, EPO. Why do you think his samples failed when the test improved, you moron?

3. He also used blood transfusions, you dope head.

4. Why the **** would he have to get someone to divert a DCO while his doctor smuggled him an IV bag if he mastered keeping his level artificially low at all times?

5. Why the **** did he DROP OUT OF RACES WHEN HE KNEW HE WOULD BE CAUGHT if he kept artificial levels at all times.


You're really ******. Now come on. Explain what Mayweather would have to do to decrease hematocrit from 55% to 47% at all times in order to pass random testing! I've been dying to hear this, but you keep ducking and DEFLECTING!

Man, I gave you more than 24 hours and still you DEFLECT!!!

While I do NOT!


Lance's #1 method was: Delay and use IVs .... Floyd's #1 method was: Delay and use IVs ....

1. Like I said, Delay and use IVs ....

2. It's a cat and mouse game. Testers are catching similar percentage now than back then.

Initially the athletes didn't need to micro dose. Then they did when it got better then they also dilutes, masked and used combo PEDs in micro doses .... tin 5-10 years from now, one can say the same about 2015 compared to 2025!!! WAKE UP!!!!

Now add the very simple fact that you should understand, Floyd tells USADA what are the START and END DATEs. Lance and other athletes wished it was that EASY!!!

3. Who Floyd? You really think that Floyd was doing a Vampire facial before a fight?

4. There is risk when you cheat even when you pay the top guns off. Lance's values were NOT always low. How can his values always be low?????

5. What? He knew that he would be caught so he had to skip some races altogether. And?


Floyd? I told you that there are numerous scenarios for an athlete. That is for someone who can be tested 365 days a year. For Floyd there are more possible scenarios.

55%? Not even Lance kept it that high. Those numbers mostly happened in the early days of EPO. At one point, UCI imposed a rule that had a "threshold" of 50% . So the athletes had to try to come in below that.

I thought that I already told you what Floyd could have done but as I said, there are multiple scenarios.

There can be a number of strategies but since Floyd is tested for only about 6-7 weeks, all he has to do is micro dose and maintain a certain value. No, not 55% because that would be a red flag even if he was able to bring it down a notch for his tests.

and speaking of HT values, how can this be measured? Remember when Floyd said that he did his Vampire facial just BEFORE a fight? Who would do that? Well, they use equipment that can be used to get these measurements, for example.


Like I said, mistakes can be made: "When rHuEPO is administered in competition, it is anticipated that athletes use very small dosages of epoetin alfa administered IV in the evening, probably followed by considerable water intake. Such hyperhydration-masking schemes is intended to increase the urine flow, dilute the urine, and thereby reduce the amount of EPO in the collected sample.

The Swiss cyclist Thomas Frei tested positive for rHuEPO in 2010. At a press conference just after testing positive, he acknowledged that the only reason that he failed the test was that he forgot to drink 1 L of water as he usually did after administering microdosages of rHuEPO"




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[ADP02]

What you are conveniently ignoring is that it wasn't Floyd who determined whether "an emergency situation" existed that would allow the IVs and make a retroactive TUE appropriate.

The paramedic and the DCO present (and the USADA higher ups consulted at the time) made those calls.

It's you and ShapeUp who are confused and that has been evident for quite some time now.

What?

What you conveniently did to protect your hero is make up stuff that you have no idea about.


Here is the TRUTH. Floyd and his "doctor" are the ones that are responsible.



"USADA does not provide medical advice or recommendations. An athlete should make all treatment-related decisions with his/her physician in conjunction with the Prohibited List."


It's that time AGAIN ....
Admit that you were wrong and confused!


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The only thing failing in this thread is the common sense of certain posters who, when presented with proof time after time, ......

I see you never got back to me .... you conveniently missed my response!

Where was your proof in your previous post?


I showed you PROOF that it is NOT USADA, the DCO who told them to use the IV, it was up to Floyd and his "doctor" ....

Of course it is.

It's shady af.

But shady doesn't automatically mean cheating.

We know what he was given (saline and vitamins) wasn't illegal.

And, we know it wasn't to mask anything since samples were taken before and after the IV came back clean.

We also know no testing Floyd did was inconsistent with his ABP.

So, hell yes it LOOKED shady.

But, it amounted to nothing.

Found a decent article/blog that sums it up:

http://pinkjumpsuitboxing.com/floyd-...ate-of-boxing/

At least you agree that it's all shady.

but once you understand that Floyd was not "extremely dehydrated" as Floyd said he was, then you will understand that Floyd should NOT have been given a BS RETRO TUE.

Extremely dehydrated using Floyd's BS excuses meant that Floyd lost a ton of fluids. Right?
But
Floyd weighed in from 30 days to 2 weeks to 1 week to hours before the IV. Floyd's weight was relatively stable!!!



USADA/WADA/NSAC all have documents stating that all you need to do is drink a couple of cups of fluid for each 1lb lost.

Furthermore, WADA states that there are alternatives to IVs and must be used instead of IVs. We saw that Floyd was able to drink. Its not speculation. USADA closed their eyes on that.


IT's OVER, there is enough evidence that Floyd drank enough .......


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[travestyny]

Man, I gave you more than 24 hours and still you DEFLECT!!!

While I do NOT!


Lance's #1 method was: Delay and use IVs .... Floyd's #1 method was: Delay and use IVs ....

1. Like I said, Delay and use IVs ....

2. It's a cat and mouse game. Testers are catching similar percentage now than back then.

Initially the athletes didn't need to micro dose. Then they did when it got better then they also dilutes, masked and used combo PEDs in micro doses .... tin 5-10 years from now, one can say the same about 2015 compared to 2025!!! WAKE UP!!!!

Now add the very simple fact that you should understand, Floyd tells USADA what are the START and END DATEs. Lance and other athletes wished it was that EASY!!!

3. Who Floyd? You really think that Floyd was doing a Vampire facial before a fight?

4. There is risk when you cheat even when you pay the top guns off. Lance's values were NOT always low. How can his values always be low?????

5. What? He knew that he would be caught so he had to skip some races altogether. And?


Floyd? I told you that there are numerous scenarios for an athlete. That is for someone who can be tested 365 days a year. For Floyd there are more possible scenarios.

55%? Not even Lance kept it that high. Those numbers mostly happened in the early days of EPO. At one point, UCI imposed a rule that had a "threshold" of 50% . So the athletes had to try to come in below that.

I thought that I already told you what Floyd could have done but as I said, there are multiple scenarios.

There can be a number of strategies but since Floyd is tested for only about 6-7 weeks, all he has to do is micro dose and maintain a certain value. No, not 55% because that would be a red flag even if he was able to bring it down a notch for his tests.

and speaking of HT values, how can this be measured? Remember when Floyd said that he did his Vampire facial just BEFORE a fight? Who would do that? Well, they use equipment that can be used to get these measurements, for example.


Like I said, mistakes can be made: "When rHuEPO is administered in competition, it is anticipated that athletes use very small dosages of epoetin alfa administered IV in the evening, probably followed by considerable water intake. Such hyperhydration-masking schemes is intended to increase the urine flow, dilute the urine, and thereby reduce the amount of EPO in the collected sample.

The Swiss cyclist Thomas Frei tested positive for rHuEPO in 2010. At a press conference just after testing positive, he acknowledged that the only reason that he failed the test was that he forgot to drink 1 L of water as he usually did after administering microdosages of rHuEPO"




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You need to stop popping up when the thread is ready to die. This is boring already.

1. You have so little proof about Floyd and so much about Lance and his boys...... who didn’t even have to deal with WADA for some time or inadequate testing. Give up

2. No. 55% was the artificial level that Hauser gave for an example. If I remember correctly, you need 3.4 liters to dilute that to a passing score. You refuse to tell us how Floyd would do hat for random testing over weeks for years (because you can’t).

3. You keep bringing up that he dictates when testing begins and ends, but you have REFUSED, DUCKED, DRFLECTED, or anything else you want to call it about why he cycles off befor testing but according to you was doping even the day before the fight.

4. Still no logical answer to why the paper trail.

5. No logical answer to how he passed so many tests with undiluted urine. You think he is microdosing in camp and was never caught in over 100 tests. And no, not the tests that Lance took.

Let me stop here. It’s obvious how much of a butthurt fan you are. You’ve said the most ridiculous things ever. He keeps his HT at an artificial level for 24/7 over 2months. Bullshlt.

Why don’t you try to answer the OP’s question. When he shuts you down, you can wash and repeat your usual “he’s a deflector” mumbo jumbo.

Or you can try to make some ****ing sense, which you do not. All you did above was cry and talk about Anti-Doping from as far back as 14 years ago!!!

You don’t duck and deflect? Well then how about finally answering about the papertrail. Case in point: you said Frei would have passed if he drank a liter of water. Then why wouldn’t USADA just tell him to drink a liter of water???? What’s your excuse for them documenting the IV. LET ME GUESS. SOMETHING ABOUT LANCE ARMSTRONG GETTING A RETRO, BUT NOT FROM 3 INDEPENDENT DOCTORS, AND PASSING SOME TESTS THAT WERE SUB PAR. Did I get that right DEFLECTOR??? Yea. You don’t deflect.... bullshlt. Your whole argument is a deflection to 7 years ago and more!

[travestyny]

What?

What you conveniently did to protect your hero is make up stuff that you have no idea about.


Here is the TRUTH. Floyd and his "doctor" are the ones that are responsible.



"USADA does not provide medical advice or recommendations. An athlete should make all treatment-related decisions with his/her physician in conjunction with the Prohibited List."


It's that time AGAIN ....
Admit that you were wrong and confused!


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I see you never got back to me .... you conveniently missed my response!

Where was your proof in your previous post?


I showed you PROOF that it is NOT USADA, the DCO who told them to use the IV, it was up to Floyd and his "doctor" ....





At least you agree that it's all shady.

but once you understand that Floyd was not "extremely dehydrated" as Floyd said he was, then you will understand that Floyd should NOT have been given a BS RETRO TUE.

Extremely dehydrated using Floyd's BS excuses meant that Floyd lost a ton of fluids. Right?
But
Floyd weighed in from 30 days to 2 weeks to 1 week to hours before the IV. Floyd's weight was relatively stable!!!



USADA/WADA/NSAC all have documents stating that all you need to do is drink a couple of cups of fluid for each 1lb lost.

Furthermore, WADA states that there are alternatives to IVs and must be used instead of IVs. We saw that Floyd was able to drink. Its not speculation. USADA closed their eyes on that.


IT's OVER, there is enough evidence that Floyd drank enough .......


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Just shut up with your bullshlt already. It’s ****ing old.

1. Just because you are physically able to drink doesn’t mean it’s the best course of action.

2. De la Hoya was in weight a month before his Pac fight, yet he was dehydrated? Is it possible?

3. How much weight do you think Mayweather lost during his bout of dehydration with Mosley.

Your bullshlt is ridiculous. Do you ever read the shlt that you post? Do you think he actually goes around with an IV everywhere or what?

Stick to talking about Lance. I think that’s all you can handle. When it comes to this situation, you say the dumbest shlt.

[Shape up]

USADA does impose the full wada code, idiot.

And if you had to look up substantive, you shouldn't be having this conversation. Substantive means more than that, you dope. And even if taken that way, it doesn't change the fact that the full WADA Code was enforced, you dope.

I already told you. Go find where the contract veers away from the WADA Code. You can't do it. The part you pointed out is followed, dummy.


It goes like this:

YOU say that USADA isn't following WADA's Code.

WADA's Code says the rule is that this information is up to USADA:


USADA shows where the rules provided by them:

CONTRACT:



You say USADA broke WADA's rules...by doing what WADA's rules say. LMAO. Just give up. I'm tired of this. It's over.

Why did you stop quoting rule 5 halfway through the paragraph, when it says if any protocols conflicts with the contract then the contract over rides the protocol, no one here is as ****** as you jim carey