Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[koolkc107]

He didn't ran away. He left your low IQ out the door when he left, since you drank the Kool Aid a long long time ago. And like he said, it's senseless to talk sense to you. Ain't worth it lol

#blindasabat

Nope.

He ran away or his hound dog refused to type his post for him any longer.

Hounds are very loyal and my guess is he didn't want to see his master owned any further.

But, I have to ask...what's it to you anyway, Sploosh?

You have a take or are you just here to wack off vicariously?

[Shape up]

Let’s start with some thoughts from Jeff Novitzky, the former federal agent who played a key role in the investigation of Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, and Victor Conte.

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In August of this year, Novitzky appeared on The Joe Rogan Experience #685, and the following exchange occurred:

Joe Rogan: What’s the reason why they can’t use an IV? Is it to mask possible performance enhancing drugs?

Jeff Novitzky: That’s the primary reason. I saw it up front and center in cycling. They were using IVs of saline solution to manipulate their blood level readings, which were being used to determine if they were blood doping. It could also be used to flush a system. It dilutes blood and urine so that natural steroid profiles are very hard to read after you’ve taken an IV bag. That’s the primary reason. WADA also prohibits them for some health reasons. When an IV is administered, especially close to a competition, there’s a possibility of blowing out a vein or having clotting after the IV is taken out. There could be some issues with edema and swelling. If the idea is to rehydrate, it’s much safer to do it orally. Studies show that orally rehydrating is better for you if you’re mildly dehydrated. There’s two things that they show consistently. Number one, it’s obviously safer to put something through your mouth than put it in a needle in your vein. Number two, your perceived rate of exertion, how hard you feel you’re working after rehydrating orally, is less than if you rehydrate via IV. If you rehydrate orally properly, the next day you’re going to feel a whole lot better when you’re exerting yourself.”

“Now that’s mild dehydration,” Novitzky added. Where extreme dehydration is concerned, Novitzky suggested, “You probably should go to a hospital. [And] I think you need to notify the commission where you’re fighting.”

Sports fans now know that an IV infusion can dilute or mask the presence of another substance that is already in an athlete’s system or might be added to the athlete’s system in the near future. Let’s put some meat on that statement, taking erythropoietin (EPO) as an example.

A person’s red and white blood cells are suspended in plasma (a fluid that, by itself, is yellow in color).

Red blood cells deliver oxygen to muscle tissue.

Erythropoietin is a hormone that stimulates the production of red blood cells. Synthetic EPO can be administered by injection and, by creating more red blood cells, increases the flow of oxygen to an athlete’s muscle tissue. It also hastens the removal of metabolic waste. As such, EPO increases an athlete’s aerobic capacity and endurance.

Once the desired level of EPO is reached in an athlete’s system, the level of red blood cells can be maintained by a weekly injection.

There are two ways to determine the presence of synthetic EPO in an athlete’s system. The first is a urine test that directly determines its presence. When EPO is administered by subcutaneous injection, it clears an athlete’s system in roughly 43 hours. If EPO is administered by IV, it clears an athlete’s system on average in 19 hours.

The second way to test for synthetic EPO is a hematocrit blood test. This test doesn’t directly measure the presence of EPO. Rather, it tests for the result of EPO administration.

A person’s hematocrit level is the percentage of red blood cells to that person’s total whole blood volume. The hematocrit level for an average adult male is roughly 45%. Anything below 37% or above 51% indicates an irregularity.

If an athlete is using synthetic EPO, his or her hematocrit level rises. Adding saline solution to the athlete’s blood intravenously increases the plasma component of the blood, thus bringing down the ratio of red blood cells to total whole blood volume. As such, the saline solution reduces the athlete’s hematocrit level to an acceptable level.

Let’s say, hypothetically, that a hematocrit blood test would show that the percentage of red blood cells to an athlete’s total whole blood volume is 55%. If the athlete adds 750 milliliters (25.361 ounces) of saline solution and vitamins via IV, it won’t diminished the number of red blood cells in that athlete. His red blood cells will still be at an elevated level. But the percentage of red blood cells to that athlete’s total whole blood volume will drop to 47% because he will be increasing his total whole blood volume.

That’s an example of what is meant by “diluting and masking” through the use of an intravenous infusion.

[Shape up]

Is it your belief that a 1.005 SPG after taking an IV is different from a 1.005 SPG after drinking water? If you're not trying to prove that, then why the **** are you asking me about saline solution, fool? Go ahead and explain. I'm dying to know how talking about saline solution is going to help you out here



When you gonna answer about this? You're ducking me more than that bltch, ADP02


Oh, and tell us if USADA is a signatory of WADA while ur at it. Thanks!

You really can't be this ******, or can you, with oral rehydration, the first lot of water you drink flushes toxins from your body, thus it is very dilute, it has basically gone straight though you, IV rehydration with saline goes straight into your blood******, then it swells the dehydrated cells in your body, the fluid is retained in your body due to the sodium/salt in the IV mixture, thus it takes a great deal more time to process through the body, so the IV doesn't fill the bladder with fluid as drinking water does, giving you a much more concentrated urine sample, really not that complicated

[koolkc107]

An article about cycling is NOT setting anything straight in regards to boxing.

I went easy on you before, Shape.

Mebbe because in a sea of morons, your rebuttal was actually well thought out and showed merit.

But, it was flawed and I showed that when you posted about it. At least one study was dated (2011) and therefore irrelevant to the more sophisticated testing methods done by Floyd over most of his ABP. The other part was that those cyclist were fooling ABP computer software. Human analysis could detect the cheats.

Here's more.

What those cycling articles talk about is microdosing being able to improve performance while not setting off alarms with the ABP.

That might work if you are microdosing while actually IN COMPETITION. And it might work if you happen to completely evade random testing, which cyclist are masters at.

But, we know the effects of microdosing are temporary, often lasting a month or so.

So, my question to you, Shape Up, is this.

How does your theory apply to boxers?

You know, guys who do a 6-8 week camp subject to surprise testing during any minute of it, with no limit on the frequency?

How is a fighter going to microdose to fool the random testing, nevermind the ABP?

And knowing that his results are likely not going to be fed into a computer but rather examined by a human being, how is that fighter going to cheat?

This again brings up the same question that those who suspect Floyd of cheating have no answer for- namely, when exactly is Floyd cheating?

Is he microdosing while not in camp knowing that in the 6-8 weeks he will be in camp any gain will be gradually lost?

Or, is he cheating in camp while also passing the most sophisticated testing there is while have no knowledge beforehand of when he is going to be tested?

See, that is why the name of this thread is what it is.

Because all the theories fail if you simply apply common sense.

Thought I'd set you straight on the ABP tooli--------------------• Most of the uproar over the French study is about how none of the athletes’ profiles would have tripped the automatic thresholds in the passport software analysis. But that’s only one way that the passport works. The software is an automatic screening tool, bolstered by expert review; the UCI, for instance, has a review panel of expert researchers who scrutinize some percentage of profiles. Even if a particular athlete’s bloodwork never exceeds the tolerances, it can be flagged as su****ious by a reviewer. However, that requires random review by experts; it’s easier for some authorities just to rely on the software.

• Last, the news that the passport is beatable is not, well, news. Remember that point that other organizations fund research? Another study, not directly funded by WADA, found much the same as the recent French study.

The researchers in the other study included several well-regarded scientists (led by Ashenden). They gave 10 subjects twice-weekly microdoses of EPO for 12 weeks. Similar to the French study, researchers found a 10 percent increase in total hemoglobin mass, which correlates strongly to aerobic capacity. Just as with the French study, researchers found that none of the 10 athletes’ profiles would have been flagged as abnormal by the software analysis—it would have taken expert human review to catch, a point that the researchers made in their conclusion. The study met the other standards WADA says the French study missed: It used passport guidelines and was published in a peer-reviewed journal (the European Journal of Applied Physiology). The publication date? September, 2011.

[travestyny]

You really can't be this ******, or can you, with oral rehydration, the first lot of water you drink flushes toxins from your body,

thus it is very dilute,

it has basically gone straight though you, IV rehydration with saline goes straight into your blood******, then it swells the dehydrated cells in your body, the fluid is retained in your body due to the sodium/salt in the IV mixture, thus it takes a great deal more time to process through the body, so the IV doesn't fill the bladder with fluid as drinking water does,

giving you a much more concentrated urine sample,

really not that complicated

So you're saying that drinking water gives you a more DILUTE SAMPLE, and having an IV gives you a comparatively CONCENTRATED SAMPLE.


Congratulations...you somehow have proven that oral rehydration is more likely to DILUTE your sample than an IV.


Do you think before you post....or do you just post?

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[Shape up]

Also, Mayweather was given a pre-fight physical examination by the Nevada State Athletic Commission on the day of the weigh-in. Did he disclose to commission doctors at that time that he was so badly dehydrated that he needed an IV infusion? No, he did not. Nor, according to NSAC records, did the examining physician find evidence of dehydration.

If a fighter is dehydrated, his blood pressure is likely to be low and his pulse rate high. That wasn’t the case with Mayweather as evidenced by the Nevada State Athletic Commission medical data sheet.

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Mayweather’s blood pressure was 118/84. In other words, his systolic blood pressure (pressure when the heart is contracting and pumping blood out) was 118. And his diastolic blood pressure (pressure when the heart is resting between beats) was 84. That’s normal for a professional athlete.

Mayweather’s pulse rate – 60 sitting and 66 standing – was also normal.

When a ring doctor tells a fighter to open his mouth wide at a pre-fight physical examination, the doctor isn’t looking for cavities. He’s checking for loose teeth and cuts inside the mouth. The doctor is also checking the mucous membrane lining inside the fighter’s mouth for signs of dehydration. Furthermore, if a fighter is dehydrated, there are additional signs of that condition in his skin turgor (the time it takes for skin to return to its original position after being pinched). Neither of these conditions was noted by the examining doctor.

[Shape up]

So you're saying that drinking water gives you DILUTE SAMPLE, and having an IV gives you a CONCENTRATED SAMPLE.


Congratulations...you somehow have proven that oral rehydration is more likely to DILUTE your sample than an IV.


Do you think before you post....or do you just post?

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My curtains have a higher IQ than you

[Shape up]

For example, the USADA “Detailed Correction” states, “Mr. Hauser fails to specifically identify any provisions in the Testing Agreement that conflict with USADA’s statement that our professional boxing testing programs are in accordance with the WADA International Standards.”

That’s simply wrong.

A copy of the drug-testing agreement entered into between USADA, Floyd Mayweather, and Manny Pacquiao was attached as an exhibit to “Can Boxing Trust USADA?” Paragraph 30 of the contract states, “If any rule or regulation whatsoever incorporated or referenced herein conflicts in any respect with the terms of this Agreement, this Agreement shall in all such respects control. Such rules and regulations include, but are not limited to: the Code [the World Anti-Doping Code]; the USADA Protocol; the WADA Prohibited List; the ISTUE [WADA International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions]; and the ISTI [WADA International Standard for Testing and Investigations].”

[travestyny]

My curtains have a higher IQ than you

You're an absolute moron, you know that?

IN RESPONSE TO MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE IV DILUTED MAYWEATHER'S URINE SAMPLE, YOU JUST WROTE THAT THE IV PRODUCES A CONCENTRATED SAMPLE.

THAT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE YOU WASTE OF BONE MARROW.


I always knew you were ******, but I had no idea you could be that dumb!


Say it again. IV gives a more concentrated sample. Is that what you said? Say it again. Say it again!!!!

[Shape up]

In response, USADA’s “Detailed Correction” claims, “USADA applies the same set of rules to all fighters who voluntarily agree to participate in a USADA professional boxing testing program.”

But in the same “Detailed Correction,” USADA acknowledges that paragraph 30 of the USADA-Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing agreement (referenced above) varied from its standard professional boxing testing agreement.