Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[GhostofDempsey]

DEFLECTOR STRIKES AGAIN!!!!

Man just start your posts with "Here I go DEFLECTING AGAIN!!!"


Let's explain this to the DEFLECTOR using quotes

Why no to meds:
NSAC: " You want the fighter to enter the ring in a natural state."



We have pre-fight form stating the names of Manny's meds. We have a well-known doctor who said that Manny injured his shoulder. Operation!!!


Floyd? We have nothing in his pre-fight form. WHo wa the doctor? Dr Alez Ariza?

Do you have any hint of Floyd being severely dehydrated? Signs of fainting? Video of Floyd telling the NSAC physician about his serious medical condition? All that BS?

But we have Floyd's vital signs that indicate that Floyd was all normal.

But we have Floyd's freaking weight and it came in just like he always does!!!

But we have Floyd admitting that he made weight EASILY as he had done for a DECADE!!!

But we have Floyd drinking adequately enough!!!

Go check out my other post. USADA recommends drinking 1.5 Liters for every 1KG of weight lost!!! The key word is EVERY 1KG .... meaning, you lose more, just drink more fluids .... but Floyd didn't even lose more!!!

We have Floyd interviewing on multiple occasions that he was basically RELAXING in his FINAL DAYS before the fight.

We have a video of FLoyd just after getting his BANNED IV BAGs .... saying that he is HAPPY and doesn't need to drain himself like others!!!!



Travestyny (tried to equate) said Oscar's scenario = Floyd's?



BTW- When Floyd was discussing his issues with his hands in the Castillo fight, Floyd said he was hiding the issue from everyone ..... so no, he didn't go to the NSAC to let them know!


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It's amazing how these huggers ignore every valid point that we've raised to fit their own agenda.

What they still can't explain is Floyd's sketchy testosterone levels among other things.

– Mayweather’s people agreed to settle a defamation suit with Pacquiao quickly — and for more money than expected — as soon as Pacquiao’s side began demanding documents regarding Mayweather’s drug tests through USADA and the NSAC.

– Mayweather had abnormally low T/E (testosterone) ratios prior to the Robert Guerrero and Victor Ortiz fights. Low T/E ratios could indicate tampering/efforts to lower your ratio to cover up testosterone use.

– Mayweather uses contracts that allow for the****utic use exemptions (TUE) to be retroactively granted after someone tests positive for a prohibited drug. What’s the point of even having testing if you can just get a waiver for it after you fail a test? Mayweather gave Pacquiao a contract that included this clause.

– Mayweather delays the official announcement of his fights until well after they leak publicly as a loophole for potential drug use. Mayweather does not engage in true year-round Olympic-style testing. Rather, he dictates terms of testing to USADA and tells them testing can only begin once the fight has been announced. This delay would theoretically allow Mayweather to use PEDs for the months leading up to fights without risking being caught.

[koolkc107]

It's amazing how these huggers ignore every valid point that we've raised to fit their own agenda.

What they still can't explain is Floyd's sketchy testosterone levels among other things.

– Mayweather’s people agreed to settle a defamation suit with Pacquiao quickly — and for more money than expected — as soon as Pacquiao’s side began demanding documents regarding Mayweather’s drug tests through USADA and the NSAC.

– Mayweather had abnormally low T/E (testosterone) ratios prior to the Robert Guerrero and Victor Ortiz fights. Low T/E ratios could indicate tampering/efforts to lower your ratio to cover up testosterone use.

– Mayweather uses contracts that allow for the****utic use exemptions (TUE) to be retroactively granted after someone tests positive for a prohibited drug. What’s the point of even having testing if you can just get a waiver for it after you fail a test? Mayweather gave Pacquiao a contract that included this clause.

– Mayweather delays the official announcement of his fights until well after they leak publicly as a loophole for potential drug use. Mayweather does not engage in true year-round Olympic-style testing. Rather, he dictates terms of testing to USADA and tells them testing can only begin once the fight has been announced. This delay would theoretically allow Mayweather to use PEDs for the months leading up to fights without risking being caught.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and....yeah, wrong too.

We might not be able to explain Floyd's testosterone, but USADA and WADA sure can. They know something we don't since they have had this info for years and not BOO has come of it. They are the experts, not you Dempster.

And while we are on the subject, the defamation suit was not settled to avoid releasing Floyd's records, at least not by Mayweather's lawyers. The suit was settled because once again they thought they could make the fight. Mayweather's lawyers didn't even address the subpoena for Floyd's records- it was lawyers for USADA that filed the motion to quash and for good reason. Floyd's medical records had nothing to do with proving or disproving whether or not Pacquiao had been slandered and was due damages. It was an unprecedented request by Pac's lawyers and it would not have been granted in any case since medical records are confidential.

I have mentioned the ABP several times in this thread and you, Demps, have taken great pains to ignore it.

And for good reason.

The ABP is a "golden ticket" when it comes to proving oneself clean. It's a profile built over time, which serves as a template to prove or disprove abnormalities that may occur. Clearly, Floyd's have an explanation good enough for WADA, USADA, NSAC, and any other interested parties- save message board morons who can't let go of the fact Floyd ruined their hopes and dreams every single time he won a fight.

As to retroactive TUEs, they are not extraordinary. They happen all the time and are part of how WADA and USADA conduct things with ALL OF THEIR TESTED ATHLETES. Again, ANY ATHLETE CAN APPLY FOR AND BE GRANTED A RETROACTIVE TUE.

What happened in Floyd's case happens all the time.

As for your allegation about Mayweather cycling on and off drugs while he is not being tested, other posters have explained why that is bullshyt much better than I can so I will let their words stand as mine too. But, I am curious.

Which is it?

Is he dirty and using in training camp so he needs an IV to flush PEDs from his system right before a fight?

Or does he cycle off beforehand so he won't test dirty in camp?

You are so bent by this you haven't realized you are forwarding conflicting positions.

Get well, man.

[ruedboy]

We are talking about one of the most polarizing figures in the history of sports.

Arrogant (to some).

A convicted wife beater.

A man caught on film spewing racism.

A man proud of profligate public displays of wealth.

And on and on and on.

There are literally millions of people who spent all kinds of money in the hopes he'd get his azz kicked.

They hate him...a lot.

Yet, after all of this?

Zero.

Not one piece of concrete indisputable evidence he ever cheated.

Yeah, you got rumors.

But not one substantiated.

You would think that one guy of the tens or hundreds in those labs over 7 years would look to leak a bad test result and get paid handsomely for it.

Never happened.

You would think that someone at USADA with access to the records would blow the whistle.

Nope.

WADA gets those records too and they have NO DOG IN THE HUNT. Surely they would reveal something if there was something to reveal?

Crickets.

They got Lance, they got Marion, they got scores of other athletes fabulously popular or just as able financially to bribe folks as Floyd.

The popular athletes got taken down.

But hated Mayweather? Let's give him a pass.

And, oh yeah, all of those samples are STILL THERE.

They can be retested.

With his ABP, I am certain comparisons to some of Floyd's samples over time have indeed been made.

Still crickets.

With all this supposed cheating, which all these rumors, with all this hate for Floyd, not one concrete thing has every come to light.

Isn't that odd?

LOL This is boxing we're talking about. Not cycling or track or any other legit sport.
Floyd was boxing's cash cow, everybody around him made money. Can you imagine the NSAC investigating Floyd? Gimme a break.
The night before the biggest fight of his life, he gets an IV? WTF! You can buy that BS but I'm not.

[Dosumpthin]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and....yeah, wrong too.

We might not be able to explain Floyd's testosterone, but USADA and WADA sure can. They know something we don't since they have had this info for years and not BOO has come of it. They are the experts, not you Dempster.

And while we are on the subject, the defamation suit was not settled to avoid releasing Floyd's records, at least not by Mayweather's lawyers. The suit was settled because once again they thought they could make the fight. Mayweather's lawyers didn't even address the subpoena for Floyd's records- it was lawyers for USADA that filed the motion to quash and for good reason. Floyd's medical records had nothing to do with proving or disproving whether or not Pacquiao had been slandered and was due damages. It was an unprecedented request by Pac's lawyers and it would not have been granted in any case since medical records are confidential.

I have mentioned the ABP several times in this thread and you, Demps, have taken great pains to ignore it.

And for good reason.

The ABP is a "golden ticket" when it comes to proving oneself clean. It's a profile built over time, which serves as a template to prove or disprove abnormalities that may occur. Clearly, Floyd's have an explanation good enough for WADA, USADA, NSAC, and any other interested parties- save message board morons who can't let go of the fact Floyd ruined their hopes and dreams every single time he won a fight.

As to retroactive TUEs, they are not extraordinary. They happen all the time and are part of how WADA and USADA conduct things with ALL OF THEIR TESTED ATHLETES. Again, ANY ATHLETE CAN APPLY FOR AND BE GRANTED A RETROACTIVE TUE.

What happened in Floyd's case happens all the time.

As for your allegation about Mayweather cycling on and off drugs while he is not being tested, other posters have explained why that is bullshyt much better than I can so I will let their words stand as mine too. But, I am curious.

Which is it?

Is he dirty and using in training camp so he needs an IV to flush PEDs from his system right before a fight?

Or does he cycle off beforehand so he won't test dirty in camp?

You are so bent by this you haven't realized you are forwarding conflicting positions.

Get well, man.

Well dayum. Travesty isn't the only one laying the smack down.

You speak truth. To me truth is universally understood. But around here you will be accused of being an alternate account of Travestny.

[Dosumpthin]

It's amazing how these huggers ignore every valid point that we've raised to fit their own agenda.

Ok. I'll respond to each one of your "valid points".

What they still can't explain is Floyd's sketchy testosterone levels among other things.

All of Floyd's samples have been CIR tested BY DEFAULT. (CIR test is what happens when an athlete failed T/E)


NEXT!

– Mayweather’s people agreed to settle a defamation suit with Pacquiao quickly — and for more money than expected — as soon as Pacquiao’s side began demanding documents regarding Mayweather’s drug tests through USADA and the NSAC.

In 2009 the Mayweathers were sued for saying Manny uses METH. At the time they couldn't prove it.

That's what defemation of character is.

The IRON-KNEE of it all........
2016 Manny admitted to using METH. WHY DIDNT MANNY SAY THAT IN 2009? Why lie.

No wonder the Mayweathers settled.

– Mayweather had abnormally low T/E (testosterone) ratios prior to the Robert Guerrero and Victor Ortiz fights. Low T/E ratios could indicate tampering/efforts to lower your ratio to cover up testosterone use.

Again all samples were CIR tested by default. Did you know that? Do you even know what CIR are? Do you understand when an athlete fails T/E ratio test, the PERFORM CIR?

Not to mention ABP testing. Lets keep it simple.

– Mayweather uses contracts that allow for the****utic use exemptions (TUE) to be retroactively granted after someone tests positive for a prohibited drug. What’s the point of even having testing if you can just get a waiver for it after you fail a test? Mayweather gave Pacquiao a contract that included this clause.

FALSE. Retro TUES are part of WADA rules. USADA is a WADA signatory.

The original contract referenced WADA rules. PACQUIAO camp requested the actual language be ADDED to the contract.

NEXT!

– Mayweather delays the official announcement of his fights until well after they leak publicly as a loophole for potential drug use. Mayweather does not engage in true year-round Olympic-style testing. Rather, he dictates terms of testing to USADA and tells them testing can only begin once the fight has been announced. This delay would theoretically allow Mayweather to use PEDs for the months leading up to fights without risking being caught.

So every athlete worldwide who is not enrolled in a yearly program is doing so because they are cheating? Or does this insane logic only apply to Floyd?

What if Floyd just declined the test because he was afraid of needles? What you you say to that?


Idiot.

[GhostofDempsey]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and....yeah, wrong too.

We might not be able to explain Floyd's testosterone, but USADA and WADA sure can. They know something we don't since they have had this info for years and not BOO has come of it. They are the experts, not you Dempster.

And while we are on the subject, the defamation suit was not settled to avoid releasing Floyd's records, at least not by Mayweather's lawyers. The suit was settled because once again they thought they could make the fight. Mayweather's lawyers didn't even address the subpoena for Floyd's records- it was lawyers for USADA that filed the motion to quash and for good reason. Floyd's medical records had nothing to do with proving or disproving whether or not Pacquiao had been slandered and was due damages. It was an unprecedented request by Pac's lawyers and it would not have been granted in any case since medical records are confidential.

I have mentioned the ABP several times in this thread and you, Demps, have taken great pains to ignore it.

And for good reason.

The ABP is a "golden ticket" when it comes to proving oneself clean. It's a profile built over time, which serves as a template to prove or disprove abnormalities that may occur. Clearly, Floyd's have an explanation good enough for WADA, USADA, NSAC, and any other interested parties- save message board morons who can't let go of the fact Floyd ruined their hopes and dreams every single time he won a fight.

As to retroactive TUEs, they are not extraordinary. They happen all the time and are part of how WADA and USADA conduct things with ALL OF THEIR TESTED ATHLETES. Again, ANY ATHLETE CAN APPLY FOR AND BE GRANTED A RETROACTIVE TUE.

What happened in Floyd's case happens all the time.

As for your allegation about Mayweather cycling on and off drugs while he is not being tested, other posters have explained why that is bullshyt much better than I can so I will let their words stand as mine too. But, I am curious.

Which is it?

Is he dirty and using in training camp so he needs an IV to flush PEDs from his system right before a fight?

Or does he cycle off beforehand so he won't test dirty in camp?

You are so bent by this you haven't realized you are forwarding conflicting positions.

Get well, man.

All that yappity-yap and you glaze right over Floyd's testosterone levels which are the smoking gun along with that illegal IV, and several other factors that make him suspect.

There are several ways to mask and hide PED use, short notice to fighters, illegal IV, bribery and sealed records. To say that TUE is granted all the time is not true. USADA is corrupt and their tests aren't as thorough. There is a reason Floyd chose them early on and established a relationship with them. There is a reason why the WBC suddenly adopted VADA as their preferred testing protocol at the very same time Floyd retired in 2015.

[koolkc107]

All that yappity-yap and you glaze right over Floyd's testosterone levels which are the smoking gun along with that illegal IV, and several other factors that make him suspect.

There are several ways to mask and hide PED use, short notice to fighters, illegal IV, bribery and sealed records. To say that TUE is granted all the time is not true. USADA is corrupt and their tests aren't as thorough. There is a reason Floyd chose them early on and established a relationship with them. There is a reason why the WBC suddenly adopted VADA as their preferred testing protocol at the very same time Floyd retired in 2015.

Dude, did you just use "yappity-yap" as a rebuttal?

Exactly who is typing these things, you or your hound dog?

I'm bettin' on Old Yaller.

Well, Old Yaller, tell your master I didn't glaze over anything.

As I and several posters here have been trying to explain to him, an ABP cures a multitude of sins. The testing has to match up with earlier results or have a proven explanation. Lacking either, Floyd would have been busted a long time ago as a cheat.

But he hasn't, so any rational person has to accept that WADA, USADA, and the NASC may have this under control.

He is clean and the testing authorities- EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM- have all signed off on that.

And they still have his test samples. Floyd isn't going to bring another coin into Vegas. Whats more, before the beginning of this year, they had no reason to think Mayweather was ever going to fight again.

Think about it, Old Yaller...no one who might need a little extra kibble has barked out anything about past dirty tests.

Do you have any idea how many Snausages can be bought with the money an outfit like ESPN can pay for proof of a dirty test?

It's nothing to raise your hind leg at, I assure you.

Now be a good dog, read this to Demps, and tell him it's time for both of you to take a walk.

[travestyny]

What they still can't explain is Floyd's sketchy testosterone levels among other things.

– Mayweather had abnormally low T/E (testosterone) ratios prior to the Robert Guerrero and Victor Ortiz fights. Low T/E ratios could indicate tampering/efforts to lower your ratio to cover up testosterone use.

How about we hear from the head of a WADA laboratory about these "sketchy" testosterone levels.

Here is what Christine Ayotte said about testosterone levels of .29, .35, and .19

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.

One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal," she said.

So if those numbers are not abnormal, what about Floyds of allegedly .8 and .69. Care to explain? Or do you just have no idea what the **** you are talking about?

– Mayweather’s people agreed to settle a defamation suit with Pacquiao quickly — and for more money than expected — as soon as Pacquiao’s side began demanding documents regarding Mayweather’s drug tests through USADA and the NSAC.

Get your facts straight:

USADA produced a total of 2,695 pages of documents in response to the subpoena from Mr. Pacquiao’s legal counsel between July 6 and August 21, 2012. Those documents were provided to Mr. Pacquiao’s legal counsel as well as representatives for Mr. Mayweather.

– Mayweather uses contracts that allow for the****utic use exemptions (TUE) to be retroactively granted after someone tests positive for a prohibited drug. What’s the point of even having testing if you can just get a waiver for it after you fail a test? Mayweather gave Pacquiao a contract that included this clause.

Again, get your facts straight. You can NOT get a TUE after you fail!!! If there is an adverse analytical finding, it is sent to WADA immediately. You can't fail and then say, oh, I want a retro TUE.

If the presence, Use, Possession or Administration of the Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method is inconsistent with the terms of the TUE granted, the fact that the Athlete has a TUE will not prevent an ADRV finding.
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...7.0-en.pdf.pdf

The TUE was for an IV. If Mayweather was found to be juicing, it wouldn't protect him.

– Mayweather delays the official announcement of his fights until well after they leak publicly as a loophole for potential drug use. Mayweather does not engage in true year-round Olympic-style testing. Rather, he dictates terms of testing to USADA and tells them testing can only begin once the fight has been announced. This delay would theoretically allow Mayweather to use PEDs for the months leading up to fights without risking being caught.

Then why the **** would he be trying to hide PED use the day before the fight if he cycled off before training camp?

[travestyny]

Ok. I'll respond to each one of your "valid points".



All of Floyd's samples have been CIR tested BY DEFAULT. (CIR test is what happens when an athlete failed T/E)


NEXT!



In 2009 the Mayweathers were sued for saying Manny uses METH. At the time they couldn't prove it.

That's what defemation of character is.

The IRON-KNEE of it all........
2016 Manny admitted to using METH. WHY DIDNT MANNY SAY THAT IN 2009? Why lie.

No wonder the Mayweathers settled.





Again all samples were CIR tested by default. Did you know that? Do you even know what CIR are? Do you understand when an athlete fails T/E ratio test, the PERFORM CIR?

Not to mention ABP testing. Lets keep it simple.



FALSE. Retro TUES are part of WADA rules. USADA is a WADA signatory.

The original contract referenced WADA rules. PACQUIAO camp requested the actual language be ADDED to the contract.

NEXT!



So every athlete worldwide who is not enrolled in a yearly program is doing so because they are cheating? Or does this insane logic only apply to Floyd?

What if Floyd just declined the test because he was afraid of needles? What you you say to that?


Idiot.

LMAOOO. My alt putting them in their place. I, too, am honored to be thought of as your alt, sir!!!

[GhostofDempsey]

Dude, did you just use "yappity-yap" as a rebuttal?

Exactly who is typing these things, you or your hound dog?

I'm bettin' on Old Yaller.

Well, Old Yaller, tell your master I didn't glaze over anything.

As I and several posters here have been trying to explain to him, an ABP cures a multitude of sins. The testing has to match up with earlier results or have a proven explanation. Lacking either, Floyd would have been busted a long time ago as a cheat.

But he hasn't, so any rational person has to accept that WADA, USADA, and the NASC may have this under control.

He is clean and the testing authorities- EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM- have all signed off on that.

And they still have his test samples. Floyd isn't going to bring another coin into Vegas. Whats more, before the beginning of this year, they had no reason to think Mayweather was ever going to fight again.

Think about it, Old Yaller...no one who might need a little extra kibble has barked out anything about past dirty tests.

Do you have any idea how many Snausages can be bought with the money an outfit like ESPN can pay for proof of a dirty test?

It's nothing to raise your hind leg at, I assure you.

Now be a good dog, read this to Demps, and tell him it's time for both of you to take a walk.

Your response is long on hyperbole and excuses and short on facts and documentation. I don't accept the USADA or Floyd's rebuttal to all of the claims levied against them. You can copy and paste their rebuttals until your fingers fall off, but it doesn't exonerate Floyd in the least.

You will not and cannot listen to facts and you are glossing over valid facts presented to you by myself and others. If you want to be a hopeless cheerleader then just own it. But don't try to convince the rest of us that Floyd fought clean all these years and that FACTS that have Ben presented are fiction or driven by agenda.