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**boliodogs** · 10-04-2017, 02:52 AM

If they agree with you they suddenly become experts. Every non Mexican pro boxer and pro boxing trainer I have read an opinion from thinks GGG clearly won.Who is more of an expert than pro boxers and trainers? Every poll I have seen including the polls on this site have 70 to 80 percent voting GGG won and only 10 or 11 percent voting Canelo won and the remainder voting a draw. The 10% who thought Canelo won are mostly GGG haters and they start threads like this one trying desperately to convince the big majority who thought GGG clearly won that he didn't win.

**Metho_4u** · 10-04-2017, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by boliodogs View Post

If they agree with you they suddenly become experts. Every non Mexican pro boxer and pro boxing trainer I have read an opinion from thinks GGG clearly won.Who is more of an expert than pro boxers and trainers? Every poll I have seen including the polls on this site have 70 to 80 percent voting GGG won and only 10 or 11 percent voting Canelo won and the remainder voting a draw. The 10% who thought Canelo won are mostly GGG haters and they start threads like this one trying desperately to convince the big majority who thought GGG clearly won that he didn't win.

Yeah, because we know the polls on this site aren't biased at all right?

Golovkin came forward more, and attempted to dictate the pace, but he knew what he was walking into and was more hesitant. Canelo had better defense (as shown by the numbers), landed clean, eye catching shots, and really didn't get hit cleanly that much.

Although I haven't counted what I would consider clean, effective punches landed, I can almost assure you, the majority of them would belong to Canelo. Have you seen the gifs of what compubox was counting live? Punches that were nowhere close to landing.

**stealthradon** · 10-04-2017, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by Metho_4u View Post

Yeah, because we know the polls on this site aren't biased at all right?

Golovkin came forward more, and attempted to dictate the pace, but he knew what he was walking into and was more hesitant. Canelo had better defense (as shown by the numbers), landed clean, eye catching shots, and really didn't get hit cleanly that much.

Although I haven't counted what I would consider clean, effective punches landed, I can almost assure you, the majority of them would belong to Canelo. Have you seen the gifs of what compubox was counting live? Punches that were nowhere close to landing.

Yeah, those from Canelo that were nothing but glove are priceless.

**Lester Tutor** · 10-04-2017, 03:51 AM

Originally posted by Metho_4u View Post

Yeah, because we know the polls on this site aren't biased at all right?

Golovkin came forward more, and attempted to dictate the pace, but he knew what he was walking into and was more hesitant. Canelo had better defense (as shown by the numbers), landed clean, eye catching shots, and really didn't get hit cleanly that much.

Although I haven't counted what I would consider clean, effective punches landed, I can almost assure you, the majority of them would belong to Canelo. Have you seen the gifs of what compubox was counting live? Punches that were nowhere close to landing.

Pretty much this.

My compubox is the best. It’s objective in counting ALL ATTEMPTED. Meaning when the boxer throws a punch, whether it misses or lands “clean” it’s all counted. Therefore, Nelo’s effective punches outweigh even Golovkin’s lazy shots. People don’t realize that GGG’s accumulation are mainly from jabs. You gonna beat the lineal Champ by just throwing jabs all night and a record high worst body attempts...

People claim hitting gloves are counted well then that means GGG hitting Nelo’s gloves are counted also.

The irony is that the total compubox gives the viewer to see the effective punches. People acting like Nelo moved all time like SRL vs Hagler...

The DRAW is justified. GGG fans just acting ****** because their KO predictions or on the ropes theory didn’t happen, and Nelo took all his best shots..

**soul_survivor** · 10-04-2017, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by Julioavr83 View Post

Out of 65 boxing experts, 43 (66%) watched Canelo win, draw or lose for 1 single round (113-115), wich means we had a very close fight.

PD: There is a list of experts running around, with a lot of MMA and wrestling commenters, and also many former or active professional boxing fighters, i decided to include in this list, only the true BOXING experts, people with a lot of years in the sport and focused on boxing.

Teddy Atlas (ESPN) 110-118
Mookie Alexander (Bloodyelbow.com) 111-117
Brian Campbell (CBSsport.com) 111-117
************.com 111-117
Patrick Stumberg (Badlefthook.com/Mmamania.com) 112-116
Bryan Graham (Theguardian.com) 112-116
Nigel Collins (ESPN) 112-116
Cliff Rold (Boxingscene.com) 112-116
Steve Bunce (Boxnation.com) 112-116
Harold Lederman (HBO) 112-116
Dan Rafael (ESPN) 112-116
Al Bernstein (Showtime) 112-116
Kevin McRae (Bleacherreport.com) 112-116
Bob Velin (USAtoday) 112-116
Lyle Fitzsimmons (CBSsport.com/Bleacherreort.com) 112-116
Michael Woods (Nyfights.com) 112-116
Sherdog.com 112-116
Leo Benatar (Directv sports) 112-116
A la vera del ring 112-116
Gareth Davies (The telegraph) 112-116
Ed Robinson (Skysports) 113-115
Stephen Smith (ESPN) 113-115
Marc Livitz (Secondsout.com) 113-115
Mike Harris (Sports illustrated) 113-115
Phil Murphy (ESPN) 113-115
Kevin Lole (Yahoo sports) 113-115
Will Esco (Badlefthook.com) 113-115
Graham Houston (*********.com) 113-115
Marcelo Gonzalez (Space) 113-115
Doug Fischer (The******.com) 113-115
Scott Chris (Badlefthook.com) 113-115
Steve Carp (Las Vegas review journal) 113-115
Carlos Irusta (Revista ringside) 113-115
Barry Jones (Boxnation) 113-116
Kevin Mitchell (Theguardian.com) 113-116
Liam Happe (Yahoo sports Reino Unido) 114-114
Gilbert Manzano (Reviewjournal.com/sports) 114-114
Steven Muehlhausen (Sportingnews) 114-114
Kieran Mulvaney (insidehboxing.com) 114-114
Ben Thompson (Fight hype) 114-114
David Greisman (Fighting words) 114-114
The sweet science 114-114
Danny Flexen (Boxingnewsonline.com) 114-114
Renato Bermudez (Espn) 114-114
Jorge Eduardo Sanchez (ESPN) 114-114
Ron Borges (Boston Herald) 114-114
Brian Kenny (NBC sports radio) 114-114
Lance Puigmire (Latimes.com/sports) 114-114
Chris Mannix (Yahoo sports) 114-114
Asociated press 114-114
Eric Raskin (ESPN) 114-114
William Holmes (*************.com) 114-114
Jake Donovan (Boxingscene.com) 114-114
Mike Coppinger (Ringmagazine, latimes.com/sports, USAtoday) 114-114
Alejo Rivera (Foxsports) 114-114
Joe Cortez (ESPN) 114-114
Tom Gray (The ring magazine) 114-115
Connor Rebusch (Bloodyelbow.com)/(Badlefthook.com) 115-113
Salvador Rodriguez (ESPN) 115-113
Notifight.com 115-113
Emio Marquiegui (Espabox.com) 115-113
Derek Bonnett (secondsout.com) 115-113
Danny Howard (Theboxingtribune.com) 115-114
Bernardo Osuna (ESPN) 115-114
Eduardo Lamazon (Tvazteca) 116-112

lol it would help to highlight which one saw it for which fighter.

it would also help to identify your criteria for a so called expert?

For example, why has something like bad left hook or bloody elbow been included when they are nothing more than amateur internet boxing providers?

**Thraxox** · 10-04-2017, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by soul_survivor View Post

lol it would help to highlight which one saw it for which fighter.

it would also help to identify your criteria for a so called expert?

For example, why has something like bad left hook or bloody elbow been included when they are nothing more than amateur internet boxing providers?

And Teddy Atlas was included as an expert who gave it to Canelo wide even though he outright said GGG was robbed. He can't even hide his lies in this thread.

**soul_survivor** · 10-04-2017, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by Thraxox View Post

And Teddy Atlas was included as an expert who gave it to Canelo wide even though he outright said GGG was robbed. He can't even hide his lies in this thread.

LOL I know, I caught him in some of those lies in his first post but wanted him to try and explain them

**Elroy The Great** · 10-04-2017, 04:41 AM

it isnt impossible for a guy to win a clear BUT CLOSE dec.

people were really impressed by all of the missing 3g did. landing 200 while missing 500.....

it was a close fight.

**HarvardBlue** · 10-04-2017, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Thraxox View Post

And Teddy Atlas was included as an expert who gave it to Canelo wide even though he outright said GGG was robbed. He can't even hide his lies in this thread.

That can't be Atlas' score and he couldn't have given the fight to Canelo. Didn't he go off about Byrd's score card? They're identical!

Ok, I'm confused by the OP.

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