Would Andre Ward have had a similar / same KO% as GGG if he fought same opposition?

[john l]

why wouldnt he be able to come back? he was almost fully recovered when ward landed those low blows so he was almost back already. he was slipping and avoiding everything ward threw at that point which is prob why ward went low in the first place.

also ward had expended a lot of energy trying to go for the ko and failing so its not inconcievable at all to think kovalev would come back in the next couple rounds due to wards fatigue. you are actling like he was battered for 6 staight floyd-gatti rounds or something. all the punches that made him bend over in pain in the 7th and 8th were illegal punches. he still won the the 7th round so how was he done? did you factor in wards low blow as a clean punch?

thats like saying floyd was done when judah hit him low and giving judah the round. uhh no. kovalev was still winning the fight clearly on my and most cards so even if he did go on to lose a decision so be it but he wasnt in any real danger cept for the brief moment he was hurt which had already passed. the whole point of corrupt reffing is to not let him recover since he was winning the fight and im sure weeks and ward knew kovalev was prob winning the fight(as it turned out 2 judges were on the take as usual for ward) but they couldnt possibly know that. ward seemed to get desperate after being outboxed and started going low in the 7th and after weeks ignored blows he had previously ruled as low, ward continued to go there.weeks saw his opportunity to act and he did it. now hes a disgrace but he did his job and protected ward from losing. it had to come at the expense of robing kov but so be it.

that's quite the con theory

[daggum]

don't think most had him winning clearly it was close but u could see kov was going south and I don't think he was recovered from right. but we are far apart on this so that's just agree to disagree

most the ringside media and most the fancards i've seen had kovalev up. i didnt see kov going south. you saw that with your bias. i saw ward increase the illegal tactics and kov get flustered but thats not going south as far as being "done" physically as you implied. he was recovered mostly. just watch the fight. right after he got hurt ward was landing some good free shots but 20 seconds later kov was moving around, slipping his shots and firing back. he had drastically improved just in 20 seconds yet you think he was done? that sounds like your bias is guiding you.

[daggum]

that's quite the con theory

not really just my opinion on what might have happened. why did weeks call the blows low in the 2nd round then suddenly stop in the 7th and 8th when they were just as low or lower? makes no sense of course. only reason i can think of is because he knew ward was struggling and prob down in the fight. he did the same thing in gacia-matthysse when garcia was struggling in teh first half he let a ton of clear low blows go without warning or penalty. then later in the fight when garcia had the fight won he took a point so its clear hes a "situational" ref and refs based on how the fight is playing out. or hes just insanely inconsistent but if thats the case why is he a ref?

[Graz]

Ward is a skilled fighter but he's not a "knockout artist". He more or less gets in there, figures out his opponents weaknesses and eventually picks them apart. Its unfortunate that Ward's legacy might end with the 2 Kovalev fights. The controversy surrounding the first one didn't help nor did Kovalev's performance in the 2nd one.

[john l]

most the ringside media and most the fancards i've seen had kovalev up. i didnt see kov going south. you saw that with your bias. i saw ward increase the illegal tactics and kov get flustered but thats not going south as far as being "done" physically as you implied. he was recovered mostly. just watch the fight. right after he got hurt ward was landing some good free shots but 20 seconds later kov was moving around, slipping his shots and firing back. he had drastically improved just in 20 seconds yet you think he was done? that sounds like your bias is guiding you.

dude you r blinded by your hate.and did not see media having kov up big not one. just let it go he lost and every fighter I seen talkin about it said he was done.

[john l]

his body lang was obv he got broke and that's all

[Mr Objecitivity]

Ishida is trash,,Matthew Macklin?? really??? might as well post the Ward ko reel if thats the best you got..lol

Ishida might be 'trash' and you might question Mathew Macklin. However, Alexander Brand, Henry Buchanan, Rodriguez and so forth so on aren't any better than the likes of Ishida or Mathew Macklin.

Bare in mind that Ishida was never knocked out prior to fighting GGG and GGG not only knocked him out, but kniocked him out unconscious. Ergo, it is a more impressive knockout victory than any knockout feat of Andre Ward, since he never accomplished a feat like that before.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Yawn, easy thread.

1) Ishida? Macklin? Footage of Ward fighting such a low level of opposition is rare, it may not even exist on the internet, the last time he fought guys that level were in his early 20's.


2) Murray? The guy that couldn't even beat a 35 year old Abraham? Brook a blown up welter? ggg couldn't even KO Jacobs or Canelo.

Dawson, Kovalev, both men never stopped, stopped by Ward. These guys are infinitely better than these men.

3) Brand drew with LHW Champion and hard hitter Badou Jack, also picked up a win over previously undefeated hard hitting Beketmirov. His resume is arguably better than Jacobs. Jacobs has never beaten or drawn with anybody as good as Beketmirov or Jack.

Finally here is footage of Lemieux & Jacobs getting rocked/dropped by

Rios 19% KO ratio & Mora 26% KO ratio







Ward would have a near 100% KO ratio fighting ggg's caliber of opposition. Now tell me how Rios & Mora hit harder than Ward lmao.

Ward's KO ratio is even greater than Fonfara, the only man to stop iron chin-Chavez. There are numerous fighters which hit harder than ggg, Canelo fought him when he was drained, after getting stopped by Fonfara and even he couldn't hurt Chavez.

1) Explain how the likes of Alexander Brand, Allan Green, Sakio Bika and Edison Miranda are any better boxers with any better boxing records than Ishida? I've checked there records and nothing suggests they are better than Ishida.

2) Explain how the likes of Alexander Brand are better than Martin Murray. This is the same guy who was never stopped since or after fighting GGG. Even George Groves (a more proven power puncher at 168 pounds than Andre Ward) failed to stop him. GGG was the only one to stop him. So again, how wasn't that impressive, considering GGG was the only boxer to have ever stopped the previously unkoed Martin Murray?

3) Ward's stoppage over Kovalev was an illegitimate stoppage that happened after Andre Ward landed a low blow. Ergo, it doesn't count. This thread is about legitimate stoppages / knockouts.

4) Chad Dawson is the only one I'll give Andre Ward some credit for stopping. Even though he was weight drained.

5) Lol at Beketmirov. Majority of his wins are against opponents with losing records = bums. Daniel Jacobs beat the undefeated Peter Quillin = better than anything Alexander Brand accomplished in his career. Even David Lemieux is better than Alexander Brand, since he had beaten more top ranked opposition.

[Reloaded]

beats the sh-it out of him with fouls? hes not better. if he was better he wouldnt have to foul constantly to beat opponents. he doesnt do that against brand or paul smith. only when challenged does he have to resort to illegal tactics which tells me his boxing isnt at the elite level at all. elite level promoting and protection sure but as a boxer hes quite mediocre. ggg the much better pure boxer. war the better take advantage of my sitution guy

Gee youre a whiny ass loser, always crying.

Ward would easily beat GGG anybody with eyes and some boxing knowledge knows it, is why Team GGG wanted nothing to do with him.

[daggum]

his body lang was obv he got broke and that's all

floyds body lang was obv he got broke and thats all





you see this is why i dont take you seriously. you are using the way he reacted to being hit wih illegal punches as your argument that he was done. you dont think thats going to damage your credibility? you would never say floyd was done after judah did that to him would you? its different how? because the ref ignored the fouls makes it different? thats really your argument? you dont think thats a poor argument? my argument makes a lil more sense than yours. he had already recovered drastically in 20 seconds from when he was hurt so how can you say he was done? he was hit with low blows and the fight was stopped. you are using how he reacted to being hit low as a pretense to stop the fight? thats just so biased and silly