Would Andre Ward have had a similar / same KO% as GGG if he fought same opposition?

[john l]

floyds body lang was obv he got broke and thats all





you see this is why i dont take you seriously. you are using the way he reacted to being hit wih illegal punches as your argument that he was done. you dont think thats going to damage your credibility? you would never say floyd was done after judah did that to him would you? its different how? because the ref ignored the fouls makes it different? thats really your argument? you dont think thats a poor argument? my argument makes a lil more sense than yours. he had already recovered drastically in 20 seconds from when he was hurt so how can you say he was done? he was hit with low blows and the fight was stopped. you are using how he reacted to being hit low as a pretense to stop the fight? thats just so biased and silly

couldnot care less what u think ur ob a fanboy of kov I tried to be nice an said "lets just agree to dis" but you just keep coming back with these long posts that sound like love letters to kov. I'm done have a good day

[john l]

and that pick of Floyd was after getting hit with one of the hardest punches to the nuts ive everseen and also a rabit punch,i mean Judah just loaded up at let go.nothing like kov slowly getting worn down round after round

[daggum]

Gee youre a whiny ass loser, always crying.

Ward would easily beat GGG anybody with eyes and some boxing knowledge knows it, is why Team GGG wanted nothing to do with him.

ah the anybody can tell argument. thats always a good one. so much depth to it.

team ggg wanted nothing to do with him hmmm ok i can see you are happily in your bubble of bias and probably wont come out even if i explained how thats not true. you probably think ggg should have postponed the canelo-cotto fight to fight ward. he didnt accept wards offer he must be ducking! what was the offer? do you even know? was it contingent on postposting the cotto-canelo fight which was going to be ordered on nov 2015? yes or no. did ward want to fight in 2016? yes or not. did ward want another tune up efore facing ggg(?he just fought paul smith) yes or no? did he want 50-50 with an hbo star(hbo had already kicked off ward) and a bigger draw than him? yes or no?

why would ggg sign a 2 fight deal when the cotto-canelo fight was supposed to be next? obv he had to operate on a fight by fight basis in order to see if it was next. why would he need 2 tune ups in a row to fight ggg? they were both available and ward once again was not ready. why would he stay silent for 4 years and only offer to fight ggg at the same time the wbc said they were going to order the fight? great timing ward!

you see this is how smart unbiased people think. they dont look at headlines and fill in the blanks with their bias. if ward wanted the fight he sure as hell did some strange things to get it.

[daggum]

and that pick of Floyd was after getting hit with one of the hardest punches to the nuts ive everseen and also a rabit punch,i mean Judah just loaded up at let go.nothing like kov slowly getting worn down round after round

and the low blows ward hit kovalev with werent hard or loaded up? see this is why you are biased. they were both wrong but you have a completely different reaction to them. slowly worn down is your opinoin. i saw nothing like that. i saw kovalev in control of the fight, landing more, landing cleaner, and being occasionally bothered by some clear low punches in 7th and 8th that the ref ignored. you see those same punchs and think they are legal and hes being worn down. unfortunately you are on the wrong side. i can get the rules of boxing out if you need them to show low blows are in fact illegal. i can get weeks pre fight instructinos showing these punches were low according to him. i can get weeks warning ward that these punches are low in round 2. what more do you want? you call me bias thats laughable.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Ward will be remembered as a superior boxer to Golovkin. End thread/

[daggum]

Ward will be remembered as a superior boxer to Golovkin. End thread/

no he wont cause he wont be remembered. he had no popularity. if someone in the future did find out about him and popped in his fights you think they are going to be as kind to him as his current fanboys? no of course not. they arent going to have an emotional attachment to a guy they dont know. they are going to see him fouling nonstop and probably question his entire legacy.

[john l]

and the low blows ward hit kovalev with werent hard or loaded up? see this is why you are biased. they were both wrong but you have a completely different reaction to them. slowly worn down is your opinoin. i saw nothing like that. i saw kovalev in control of the fight, landing more, landing cleaner, and being occasionally bothered by some clear low punches in 7th and 8th that the ref ignored. you see those same punchs and think they are legal and hes being worn down. unfortunately you are on the wrong side. i can get the rules of boxing out if you need them to show low blows are in fact illegal. i can get weeks pre fight instructinos showing these punches were low according to him. i can get weeks warning ward that these punches are low in round 2. what more do you want? you call me bias thats laughable.

that right their shows ur blind if you think those two shots were anything alike Judah did it because he was getting his azz kicked ward was already on his way to stoppage and Judah was MUCH harder wards had no bearing on fight it was already OVER. just like this conversation

[john l]

no he wont cause he wont be remembered. he had no popularity. if someone in the future did find out about him and popped in his fights you think they are going to be as kind to him as his current fanboys? no of course not. they arent going to have an emotional attachment to a guy they dont know. they are going to see him fouling nonstop and probably question his entire legacy.

jeeez did ward drop u on your head as a kid

[j.razor]

All of those things related to what could've happened after Kovalev looked hurt from taking legal punches are speculation. You could state that Kovalev would've been stopped anyway. I could just as justifiably claim that Kovalev could've recovered.

However. the fact is: THE BOUT ENDED AFTER WARD LANDED A LOW BLOW ON KOVALEV! In other words, the final punch that was landed before the TKO occurred was a low blow. That's my point and that is totally inexcusable or indefensible.

That aint your point, wasn't anything going to save kovalev but Toney Weeks. You just mad kovalev took a spankin

[Mr Objecitivity]

That aint your point, wasn't anything going to save kovalev but Toney Weeks. You just mad kovalev took a spankin

My point is, I've seen boxers in similar situations or even worse situations recover and either win by making a comeback in their bout or at least box to a competitive outcome. Sergey Kovalev wasn't given the chance to recover and make a comeback because Tony Weeks decided on a premature stoppage. So none of us truly know what would've happened for sure. It's entirely speculative either way. If Tony Weeks allowed Kovalev to continue, then we would've found out and there wouldn't be such controversy.

Why are you so concerned about Sergey Kovalev being saved in the first place? Wouldn't you rather Kovalev get beaten non-controversially by Andre Ward, rather than spontaneously showing all this care for Kovalev's safety (which seems fake based on your comments related to Kovalev)?