Tom Loeffler the liar....

[Curt Henning]

Let's debunk these:



This was just part of negotiations. If they offered 168, as Froch claimed they didn't, the fight still couldn't happen because Froch wanted 172. It's not as if they offered Froch a fight at 168 he would've gladly accepted lol. He was only willing to fight on his terms.



Well clearly he did... he signed the contract.



This is only a lie if you believe BJS. The truth is, no one but them knows how much was offered. I doubt BJS is making anywhere near that money fighting the Akavovs and Monroes of the world.



What exactly is the problem here? Golovkin's team found a big named WW who was willing to move up to 160 to fight Golovkin. Any person in Loeffler's shoes would've made the exact same move. Otherwise they should be fired. The point is the to get your fighter the highest money fight, and the lowest risk fight.

Why would they move up to 168 to fight Degale, who is a lesser named fighter and bigger than Golovkin?

These aren't lies, if anything you could say he might have stretched things a little bit.

If anything Loeffler has been playing 4D chess this whole time.

Golovkin likely got $20-30M, for the Canelo fight, and he's going to get another $20-30M for the rematch. How many managers can say they've done that for their fighter?

I know James Prince can't say that.

you debunked nothing...you just went in circles....the only sense you made is that golovkin made big money for the canelo fight....but he always would have because HBO wanted it and they wanted him to be a star....HBO was cultivating this fight years out...they were paying golovkin for fights they wouldnt approve for anyone else and headlining them.....HBO put golovkin in with alot of overmatched guys and created this "monster" hype behind him because hes aggressive and finishes alot of B-/C level guys.......which is basially the whole point of anyone who talks negatively on golovkin....t.he guy is given a pass by just about everyone

notice how the media and everyone pushed and pushed and put all this pressure on canelo to fight golovkin? but nobody put any pressure on golovkin to fight ward(which was a very logical and feasible fight to make)????

[Diego Rodriguez]

Riiiiight lol

Find me anything where I've ever said I'm a fan of Kov. I think there is a post in fact where I said he is kind of an ass or something to that effect.

I don't have any like or dislike for Kovalev. I was leaning towards Ward in the second fight, but really had no like or dislike for either guy.

[Diego Rodriguez]

There isn't any proof, There is speculation and selective interpretation. Occam's razor may be found useful in such circumstances as is a basic understanding of the concept of cognitive bias.

This guy doesn't understand what proof is. Only takes a few posts to realize he isn't smart enough to serve on a jury. He makes up a narrative in his mind based on his own crazy speculation and then wants me to provide evidence to disprove his speculation which of course he then says is all part of a cover-up.

The alien abduction crowd, we didn't land on the moon or any other crazy conspiracy are good for some laughs but not to be engaged in serious debate, because they aren't capable of that.

[Metho_4u]

This guy doesn't understand what proof is. Only takes a few posts to realize he isn't smart enough to serve on a jury. He makes up a narrative in his mind based on his own crazy speculation and then wants me to provide evidence to disprove his speculation which of course he then says is all part of a cover-up.

The alien abduction crowd, we didn't land on the moon or any other crazy conspiracy are good for some laughs but not to be engaged in serious debate, because they aren't capable of that.

Hey, asswad? Maybe you could show me where I'm making anything up or speculating when it ALL came from Loeffler or Sanchez....go ahead, I'll wait.

[Curt Henning]

Hey, asswad? Maybe you could show me where I'm making anything up or speculating when it ALL came from Loeffler or Sanchez....go ahead, I'll wait.

this diego guy is comparing boxing promoters to alien abductions...as if no promoters have ever lied to us or together conspired to lie to us...lol......nothing short of a recording with loefflers and hearns voices admitting they lied will suffice this clown....even then he'd want proof it was actually them speaking and not impersonators

[Metho_4u]

this diego guy is comparing boxing promoters to alien abductions...as if no promoters have ever lied to us or together conspired to lie to us...lol......nothing short of a recording with loefflers and hearns voices admitting they lied will suffice this clown....even then he'd want proof it was actually them speaking and not impersonators

He's a taint taster.

[Curt Henning]

He's a taint taster.

its really sad when you are trying to have a boxing debate with someone and they are comparing boxing promoters telling lies to rarity of alien abductions...its hard to take someone like that seriously

[TonyGe]

This thread is dedicated to all of the lies this pole smoker has told. Feel free to add your own.

Lie#1
Let's start with Froch. That fight was supposedly offered to Carl at 168 HOWEVER, Froch says they tried to drain him and actually wanted 166. Carl counters their offer and says tell them 172 and I'll think about it. Interesting part is Loeffler then counters with 170

Hearn said to reporter Chris McKenna: “Carl text me and said ‘what weight would Golovkin fight me at?’ and I said ‘172lb’ and Loeffler said ‘170’.
http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-who-golovkin-beaten-he-too-small-beat-me--110747
Ultimately they tried to get him to 166....not even SMW, WHICH Carl admitted he could not make anymore.

Lie #2
Brook wanted the fight at 160 lbs.
That's interesting because just a few months before that fight was signed, Brook asked for a 156 or 157 catchweight, which was quickly shot down.
“I think he’s too small,” Golovkin said when asked by _________.com if he would be willing to fight Brook at a catch-weight of 157lbs. “My focus is on 160"

Lie#3 "Life changing money"

Saunders was offered "Life changing money" to fight golovkin. Turns out, it really wasn't life changing at all.

"Saunders abandoned the negotiations over money, saying he was only offered $1.5 million while others said it was much more".

"Billy Joe Saunders has played down reports he received a whopping $4m career high pay day offer to tangle with the feared Kazakh KO King Gennady Golovkin, who holds the IBO/WBA/IBF world titles.
“I’ll go to America but these Americans have got to stop offering me s*** money to fight, people keep saying I got offered $4m to fight him. If I got $4m to fight Golovkin, I would be fighting him!” explained Saunders".

http://www.boxingscene.com/saunders-i-offered-15-million-golovkin-not-4-million--102915

Lie#4 "anybody from154-168"

http://www.boxingscene.com/loeffler-confirms-golovkin-fought-degale-168--107066

"But if Hearn would have offered up another fighter in the Matchroom stable, like DeGale - Golovkin would have gladly accepted the contest and moved up to super middleweight to challenge DeGale for his title.
A fight with DeGale would have been a one-off appearance at super middleweight. Win or lose, Golovkin would have moved back to 160-pounds to continue his pursuit of the WBO middleweight title, which is currently held by Billy Joe Saunders.
"If Eddie Hearn would have said to [Golovkin's promoter] Tom [Loeffler], when Eubank wasn't available, 'would you fight DeGale if DeGale was available' - we would have fought DeGale. But it just happened to be that [Hearn] spoke to Brook and Brook accepted - but we would have fought DeGale, at 168, because at that point it was nine weeks away from the fight," Sanchez told BoxingScene.com".

Brook happily accepted after there was no chance of getting a 157 lb catchweight. However, DeGale was there, and though from Golovkin's OWN MOUTH "brook is too small, he accepted that fight and wasn't willing to go up to 168 for DeGale...it just happened to be the too small guy first.

Remember, he was willing to drop to 154 for Floyd. He's not too small I guess even though he's much smaller than Brook.

Aren't facts fun?

Ok. All that proves is that Golovkin is smarter than these guys. He fights at the weight he wants.

[Curt Henning]

Ok. All that proves is that Golovkin is smarter than these guys. He fights at the weight he wants.

oh now its "golovkin is smarter than everyone"...if only certain fans applied that to every fighter....when ggg does things its "smart"...when others do things its "cowardice"

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get a life bruh