Boring Perfection

[Sweet Jones]

Ah, man, not many at all. I was hyped for GGG-Canelo but it failed for sure. It had a few moments but just not that good. Low energy.

Good post.

IMHO, this right here is the crux of the issue.

GGG-Canelo was a highly competitive fight involving with decent momentum shifts/back and forth, action, and huge amounts of skill and will being displayed.

Taken on its face, for the average fight fan and even casual fan, it was as good a scrap as one should expect.

The only 'failure' with that fight (beyond Byrd's ridiculous scorecard) is that it didn't meet some unrealistic expectations that YOU set up in your own mind.

This, IMO, is one of the biggest problem boxing has. Way too many so-called boxing 'fans' appear to set an 'fight-must-be-comparable-to-an-all-time-classic-to-be-considered-'entertaining' standard for every fight they see.

This will almost always lead to self induced disappointment.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

IMHO, this right here is the crux of the issue.

GGG-Canelo was a highly competitive fight involving with decent momentum shifts/back and forth, action, and huge amounts of skill and will being displayed.

Taken on its face, for the average fight fan and even casual fan, it was as good a scrap as one should expect.

The only 'failure' with that fight (beyond Byrd's ridiculous scorecard) is that it didn't meet some unrealistic expectations that YOU set up in your own mind.

This, IMO, is one of the biggest problem boxing has. Way too many so-called boxing 'fans' appear to set an 'fight-must-be-comparable-to-an-all-time-classic-to-be-considered-'entertaining' standard for every fight they see.

This will almost always lead to self induced disappointment.

You don't have to make excuses for it.

You appreciate a dance? Fine.

If they'd both gone forward, then it would have been a fight. One guy stalks and the other guy backs up and backs up and backs up.

You're right.

It would be a real shame if they both went after each other like most of us thought they would do.

And please, don't delve into what I would do or me being brave while not being in the ring. The fight didn't deliver. I can't deliver an Oscar-worthy performance but that doesn't mean I'm wrong when I see a ****ty movie either. Or at least, that's my opinion.

[Sweet Jones]

You don't have to make excuses for it.

You appreciate a dance? Fine.

If they'd both gone forward, then it would have been a fight. One guy stalks and the other guy backs up and backs up and backs up.

You're right.

It would be a real shame if they both went after each other like most of us thought they would do.

Who exactly is 'most of us'?

And please, don't delve into what I would do or me being brave while not being in the ring. The fight didn't deliver. I can't deliver an Oscar-worthy performance but that doesn't mean I'm wrong when I see a ****ty movie either. Or at least, that's my opinion.

This is strawmen, as I never made any such argument about your ring bravery. No idea where that came from.

Having said that, just because a movie isn't what YOU expected, doesn't make it sh**ty either. 'Carlito's Way' is a great movie, but if you were expecting 'The Godfather', you'll only be disappointed.

That's my point.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Who exactly is 'most of us'?



This is strawmen, as I never made any such argument about your ring bravery. No idea where that came from.

Having said that, just because a movie isn't what YOU expected, doesn't make it sh**ty either. 'Carlito's Way' is a great movie, but if you were expecting 'The Godfather', you'll only be disappointed.

That's my point.

Most fight fans is what I mean by most of us.

The second quote was not directed at you or your argument. No point in bringing that up.

[soul_survivor]

Ah, man, not many at all. I was hyped for GGG-Canelo but it failed for sure. It had a few moments but just not that good. Low energy.

Good post.

Yep, as much as I felt GGG won and did so comfortably, both guys looked like he were doing enough to not lose, rather than really looking to cement their position as the best.

I couldnt imagine Leonard doing that or Hearns or even Oscar or Pac back in their heyday.

[Zaroku]

Talent and skill and accomplishment is all great but what can you really say about a fighter who is never involved in a great fight?

Last November, Ward and Kovalev fought a close fight, but would you really call it great?

Canelo-GGG was competitive, but great?

Hagler-Hearns was great. Duran-Barkley was great. The Thrilla in Manila was great. Any even causal fan would be impressed with these fights.

Yet, most of the so called p4p guys nowadays have never been in such fights. I mean, Lomachenko is a great fighter but his fights aren't balls to the wall great back and forth fights. Terence Crawford's fight with Gamboa was competitive but once again, I wouldn't call it great.

One great fight this year I believe has been Joshua-Klitschko. They will both be remembered for that one.

However, what will so many of these other fighters be remembered for? What great back and forth high action fight was Roy Jones ever in? Mayweather's fights with Castillo and Maidana were close and competitive but nothing like a Barrera-Morales or a Gatti-Ward. Bowe-Holyfield I was a truly great heavyweight fight even if Bowe wasn't a great heavyweight. Holyfield definitely left part of himself in the ring that night and fans are still grateful as they should be.

I've heard it said that an unbeaten fighter just hasn't fought the right fighter yet. This could be true. How many ATGs have retired unbeaten and even the ones who did, how truly unbeaten were they?

In closing, fighters that go through these kinds of fights deserve much higher praise in my opinion than guys who had a lot of talent but are never in these. After all, many consider Sugar Ray Robinson the best of all time and he did have these types of fights with LaMotta, Basilio and Fullmer. For the ones that don't and end on sterling records with lots of belts in their homes, it may be impressive. It may inspire a lot of admiration but one thing's for sure. It's sure as hell boring.

I'm glad you are not ******..lemme get back to you...I gotta big divk slap a few tools & fools..

[Zaroku]

Yep, as much as I felt GGG won and did so comfortably, both guys looked like he were doing enough to not lose, rather than really looking to cement their position as the best.

I couldnt imagine Leonard doing that or Hearns or even Oscar or Pac back in their heyday.

My distaste for you evaporated..sublimated into nothing...
Respect baby brother

[g27region]

Crawford gamboa wasnt really competitive and Gamboa had no business being in the ring with Crawford, or that division.

So basically you enjoyed Crawford beating up a midget more than wlad v Aj ? lol wtf

Don't you understand that my preferences or opinion doesn't have to be same as yours.

Same thing with Kovalev, the guy you want me to like but I refuse to.

It doesn't have nothing to do with his race or nationality, I know that 98% of ******ed NSB posters has racial or nationalistic agenda and you think that if I don't like Kovalev it means I'm probably Broner fan or something.

Let's get back to Crawford/Gamboa. I like watching smaller weights more than HW because these fights are more dynamic and faster. That was unfair fight for Gamboa, but it was still entertaining for me.

Got tired of talking to you. I don't quote you or other posters in every thread telling them which boxers or fights they're supposed to like.

[Citizen Koba]

IMHO, this right here is the crux of the issue.

GGG-Canelo was a highly competitive fight involving with decent momentum shifts/back and forth, action, and huge amounts of skill and will being displayed.

Taken on its face, for the average fight fan and even casual fan, it was as good a scrap as one should expect.

The only 'failure' with that fight (beyond Byrd's ridiculous scorecard) is that it didn't meet some unrealistic expectations that YOU set up in your own mind.

This, IMO, is one of the biggest problem boxing has. Way too many so-called boxing 'fans' appear to set an 'fight-must-be-comparable-to-an-all-time-classic-to-be-considered-'entertaining' standard for every fight they see.

This will almost always lead to self induced disappointment.

Expectations reduce joy, man. One of Ms Koba's favourite sayings.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Don't you understand that my preferences or opinion doesn't have to be same as yours.

Same thing with Kovalev, the guy you want me to like but I refuse to.

It doesn't have nothing to do with his race or nationality, I know that 98% of ******ed NSB posters has racial or nationalistic agenda and you think that if I don't like Kovalev it means I'm probably Broner fan or something.

Let's get back to Crawford/Gamboa. I like watching smaller weights more than HW because these fights are more dynamic and faster. That was unfair fight for Gamboa, but it was still entertaining for me.

Got tired of talking to you. I don't quote you or other posters in every thread telling them which boxers or fights they're supposed to like.

The smaller fighters often do provide more action for sure. I remember junior welterweights Ray Oliviera and Zack Padilla breaking records of the time for punches thrown. Two heavyweights would have never come close- two good heavyweights even. Not physically possible for the big boys.