Comments Thread For: Golden Boy Prez: Canelo Can Improve, Golovkin Can't Get Better!

[Bronx23]

I think the only people who believe or are trying to convince everyone that canelo won this fight are all on this site lol. Despite the fact that dozens of the best fighters and trainers in the business & boxing analysts all said they felt GGG won. Not to mention the polls on sites like Espn or the damn crowd booing Canelo for crying out loud. Somehow they believe their opinions supersede all of that. if you let them tell it, Canelo was landing every counter he threw and GGG fought like a "robot" and didn't land anything. If triple GGG is the robot they all claim he is that says a lot about canelo if all he could get was a controversial draw against a so called robot.

[Diego Rodriguez]

GGG didn't won. He tied.

It was a great fight for the era we live in where the most hyped fights end up being terrible, that's it, we move on. Stop being childish in every single thread.

You should listen to Juan Manuel Marquez about who really won.

We know it was a draw officially. We also know the overwhelming majority of people who watched that fight; boxing media, fighters, trainers and fans know Golovkin won that fight.

It was a very good fight.

[Diego Rodriguez]

I think the only people who believe or are trying to convince everyone that canelo won this fight are all on this site lol. Despite the fact that dozens of the best fighters and trainers in the business & boxing analysts all said they felt GGG won. Not to mention the polls on sites like Espn or the damn crowd booing Canelo for crying out loud. Somehow they believe their opinions supersede all of that. if you let them tell it, Canelo was landing every counter he threw and GGG fought like a "robot" and didn't land anything. If triple GGG is the robot they all claim he is that says a lot about canelo if all he could get was a controversial draw against a so called robot.

It isn't even close. You'd think it was if you used this site as a barometer. There are more people who thought Canelo won on this site than the 200+ Mexicans I watched this fight with in Mexico.

There is no controversy about who should have won only how the judges f'd it up.

[j0zef]

Gomez obviously has his head up his ass. The interesting thing is that both guys can make a ton of improvements.

Canelo can work on his conditioning, and now that he knows enough about Golovkin's power, he can make a good plan of attacking more. That will catch Golvokin off-guard and may dictate the fight.

Golovkin wasn't trained well by Sanchez to hit the body. He said he didn't see any openings, but that's on Sanchez. Golovkin needed to make an effort of hitting the body, even if he missed some. Now that he's been in the ring with Canelo, he can also work on the distance for his power shots. He can't throw bombs that fall widely off the mark. Canelo kept going the same direction on the ropes as well. Golovkin wasn't too successful in pinning Canelo down, but that shouldn't be too difficult.

There are a ton of adjustments to be made from each guy. Rematch should legitimately be even better than the first.

[tokon]

Then let me be the first. The fight was a huge letdown. It was May-Pac all over again, just with two entertaining styles instead of one to make the money grab more entertaining, but not that much more. Floyd waited until Pacquiao was 36, Team Canelo waited until GGG was 35, and will be 36 for the rematch. Same exact thing.

Boxing does it again, taking what could have been an iconic, classic fight with multiple knockdowns and probably a dramatic ending, to a forgettable fight with very few exchanges, no knockdowns, not even any fighters really staggering, and very disappointing outcome. Instead of casual fans talking about what a classic fight this was, and how amazing boxing is, to grow the sport, they are talking about how the fight was marinated and the judges were paid off all to ensure Canelo won, and that the sport is still extremely corrupt, and that fights never live up to the hype because they are made too late.

I bought the fight and I was extremely disappointed with my purchase. I'm still upset about how I looked forward to top guys fighting prime GGG for years only for it never to happen outside of Stevens, Rosado, Murray, and Lemieux, who are underrated, but I was looking forward to much more than that. Top opponents at 160 during his prime, then at 168 and maybe even 175. Instead I paid my money last saturday only to watch my worries about the fight get confirmed, and to realize that fans never even got to see one top opponent vs prime GGG at 160 in his career, let alone 168 and 175, and unless they correct GGG's training somehow to recapture his prime, we never will.

Canelo-GGG will be remembered as the fight that officially stamped GGG's career, boxing wise, as possibly the most wasted potential, and the biggest tease of a career, that we've seen in modern boxing history. It will be remembered as just another overmarinated, underwhelming fight, where money, and protecting the house fighter, was prioritized over the sport, over what was fair, over the quality of the fight, and over the fans.

Was the fight at least suspenseful, and closely contested? Yes, just like Pacquiao vs Jeff Horn was, but that doesn't mean Pacquiao isn't past his prime. He is. Or should we put Jeff Horn on the pound-for-pound list now? Canelo vs old GGG had more in common with Pacquiao-Horn than it did with Hagler-Hearns, and that's a damn shame, and a direct result of waiting until GGG got old before making the fight. The same mistake boxing made with Mayweather-Pacquiao, it just repeated again. Wasn't it Max Kellerman who said this fight was happening at the "perfect time"? What a crock of ****. Perfect for HBO to protect their cash cow, Canelo, and for Max to justify and push his anti-pressure-fighter bias on everyone, but for the sport, and for the fans, the fight could not have come at a worse time, outside of waiting even longer, like until next May! Oh wait, that's exactly the plan for the rematch LOL.

**** boxing. I wish I never started watching it. My friends have been asking me more about the sport lately because ESPN has been talking about Mayweather-Mcgregor and Canelo-GGG so much this year, and I always tell them the sport is not only more corrupt than ever, but it's worse than ever because at least in the past you got the good, prime fights first, and then the corruption came in the decisions but they couldn't take away the great meaningful fights that happened before hand. But now, you dont just get corrupt decisions, you also don't even get the great, meaningful, prime fights before hand.

So that's the truth. There are lots of media people who make their money pushing boxing, and posting Canelo-GGG videos and articles, so they are going to spin this. Plus, a lot of them are friends with, or want access to, Oscar, BHop, Tom Loeffler, and so on. So, they will spin this better than Mayweather-Pacquiao, because many of them don't like Mayweather so they were willing to tell the truth about that. But this was more of the same ****, just with better styles, but otherwise it was the same ****. In fact GGG looked more declined at 35 than Pacquiao did vs Mayweather, possibly because GGG may have been ruined by overtraining and sleeping in high altitude, whereas Pacquiao actually has had strength and conditioning coaches who know what they're doing.

So please guys, do not defend this ****. Boxing ruined another big matchup. Every single one, they ruin. Mayweather-Pacquiao with overmarination. Kovalev-Ward with corrupt refs and judges. Canelo-GGG with overmarination. Gamboa-JuanMa with overmarination. Heck even Chocolatito-Inoue with overmarination. Why wasn't that fight made right after Cuadras? Kovalev-Stevenson ruined with ducking and overmarination. Kovalev-Beterbiev ruined with overmarination. GGG-Martinez ruined with overmarination. Donaire-Rigondeaux arguably happened too late, although at least there it wouldn't have mattered. Floyd-Canelo ruined with weight draining. Floyd-Mosley ruined with overmarination. Floyd-Cotto ruined with overmarination. Oscar-Whitaker ruined with overmarination. Pacquiao-Cotto and Pacquiao-Margarito potentially ruined with weight draining, although I suspect Pacquiao-Cotto at least would have looked the same, and Pacquiao was so much smaller than those guys that maybe it was only fair they had to sacrifice too. I don't know, but boxing just keeps ruining all its best fights over and over and over again. Wilder-Ortiz is happening years too late as well, so expect that one to underwhelm once it happens too. The only one in recent memory that boxing didn't overmarinate was Joshua-Klitschko, and that's because they made it at the earliest opportunity, out of the blue, and didn't wait an extra minute.

But by and large, boxing is cutting itself down at the knees by waiting for all its best products to spoil before selling them to customers. And then people wonder why those consumers don't come back to shop at that store? Are you ****ing kidding me? When will boxing learn???? Such a disappointing fight! And in GGG's case, his fault or not, what a disappointing career, given how talented he was! I don't care about "title defense records," I care about quality opponents. The only quantity that matters is the quantity of fights against quality opponents. **** boxing!!! Stop defending this ****, people! That goes for the media as well. Stop being sellouts, please! The fans need you to speak on their behalf, not defend this!

Good post, lot of truth in there.

Thanks.

[MrRolltide91]

Lol.........

[angkag]

Nelo has improved since Floyd but the improvement is at its limit.

lil g can't improve period! He's a robot with no features or options.

Some truth there, but kind of lost the effectiveness at the end there with a simplistic pigeon hole.

It may be that Canelo is at his peak, and that hard sessions with the likes of GGG damage his longevity more than generate lessons to learn from like Mayweather. Could be he doesn't have any more to give in the second and it all comes down to what Golovkin does.

Its highly doubful that Golovkin can improve as an athlete, physically he's on the path of decline, and hard to refute that.

I suspect what we see in a rematch is Golovkin being more aggressive and moving into harm's way far more often- and paying the price, while delivering more harm too. So rematch could get brutal quite quickly, and it wouldn't surprise me if Canelo got the better of it. We could see Golovkin seriously hurt and taken out - or Canelo - but either way, we see Golovkin take a lot of damage, and wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he called it a day afterwards (so to all his haters, sorry you couldn't enjoy the ride while it lasted, but time to go find another target).

I kind of fear for both of them in the rematch, but for different reasons, neither will be the same afterwards. I wonder if they didn't both lose something in this fight too.

[TheBigLug]

Probably, and that's why they ducked him 2 years and will avoid the rematch for another year at least.

[Motofan]

Canelo is already the better fighter as far as talent goes. He just can't keep it up for three minutes of every round. We all saw who was better when they were both fresh. The issue is that his stamina is garbage and getting worse. All the skills in the world won't change that against a guy like GGG.

[Billycostigan]

So now he hurt him and staggered him..was this guy watching the fight through Byrd triple bi-focals? I meant at this point collectively the only thing left for the public faces of GBP to say is that Canelo "knocked down triple g but the public blinked and didn't see it and the video camers all shut off for that nano second too"

Thank you, I was wondering why nobody else brought up this ridiculous notion that Gomez claims. Never once saw Golovkin buckle or wobble even slightly.
If anything Canelo appeared momentarily bothered by a few of Gennadys punches but recovered quickly