Activity and Coming Forward Does Not Equal Winning a Round!

[ippo]

7-5 golovkin.Seems like when someone is labeled the "boxer" it makes it hard to win rounds against them,unless your knocked them down.

[Squ□redCircle34]

We cool
It has to happen. I'll bet on Canelo in a rematch

Yes it does!

I favor Canelo a bit more than last time!

I think he put on top much muscle which made his stamina suffer, he should be more balanced body wise when he fights at 160 again!

[bigdunny1]

So Canelo lands 4 more power shots than GGG thats why he wins the fight?

"Just because he came forward does not mean he won the round"

You making it seem like he wasn't doing anything coming forward. Yes he missed a lot. He out landed Canelo total. So he was coming forward. Throwing and Landing more (Activity).

Had it 115-113 to Golovkin. 114-114 plausible. 115-113 Canelo if you gift him a middle round. 1-3 Canelo (One of those goes either way) 4-9 Golovkin. 10 and 12 Alvarez and 11 GGG

Fact canelo out landed GGG in power punches in exactly 7 of the 12 rounds. Also outlanded GGG in body shots, uppercuts as well as power shots. Literally the only punch stat GGG outlanded Canelo is jabs. But he missed a career high amount of jabs and had one of his lowest completion rate in his jabs for his career. He outlanded canelo in total because he threw so many jabs but he was made useless in everything else. And even the jabs statistically he had his worst night ever with this punch.

Even his jab wasn't landing clean watch replays most deflected or grazes canelo. Canelo landed more clean shots more hard shots.

[Boxfan83]

I agree. Golovkin came forward and ate a lot of punches in the process but you cannot take a fighter's championship title away by only fighting in spurts and circling out of harm's way as Canelo did. You have to fight 3 minutes of every round without taking any rounds off in order to win the title from the champion. You have to go for the KO.

But Canelo didn't take his belts, people are acting like he did, it was a draw, it was a fair judgement.

[Boxfan83]

Nah, I've scored it for Golovkin even without "HBO biased commentary" and without knowing what other people think about the fight

I do admit it was close. Maybe a draw is a fair result, but it wasn't Canelo win, no way



I've scored the fight for Golovkin because he was controlling the fight, dictating pace and distance



I'd rather be a guy with belts
They're both were eating leather that night, Golovkin and Canelo too, what you're talking about? You need gifs where Canelo was getting hit or something?



See, if you disrespect the opinion of people who thought Golovkin won then you disrespect the opinion of Lewis, Crawford, Lara and etc. too, I guess they're casuals too

Nothing wrong with being casual anyway, I don't have much time to spend on people who's getting hit in the head all the time



He was eating that leather too, yes he was more defensive minded than GGG, but don't make it sound like he was dodging punches like Rigo or something, he was getting hit, especially with that jab. It's not like he was untouchable, and on the top of that he was doing absolutely nothing in mid-rounds, and showed worse stamina than the older man.

Don't get so sensitive that I don't want to admit the greatness of your ginger boy, I don't even give a **** about Golovkin lol. But is it me or your boy couldn't even get a clear victory against old overrated one-dimensional brawler and bum beater?



If you want to watch effective defense, watch Rigo/Donaire
Mayweather/Canelo
That's what you call a boxing lesson
Now watch Canelo/GGG, where Saul couldn't even control the fight



Nearly everything? Don't pretend like Canelo wasn't taking punishment too, they're both were open to hit



We were watching different fights

You were watching the fight where Canelo displayed Rigondeaux type of skills, boxed circles around GGG, was humiliating him in front of public like he was the second coming of Mayweather with godlike defense and superior reflexes

I was watching the fight where Canelo was barely throwing anything between these short spurts, was being absolutely passive for entire mid rounds, at the peak of his physical conditions showed worse stamina than 35 y.o opponent, that's a fact

I need Adelaide Byrd's type of glasses to see that Mayweather-esque talent in Canelo. Sorry that I'm not seeing the same potential

Don't dare to compare that ginger to Mayweather again, Floyd was always busy in his fights



I score for fighters who dictate pace and distance, outland the opponent, controlling the fight, all these criterias are not in Canelo's favor, he was landing cleaner punches though, I'm giving the credit where it's deserved, but that's it



So the fact Canelo didnt get carried out on a stretcher is already a win?



It'd be hard to not throw more than Canelo because the kid was barely throwing anything at all when he was reserving energy for next spurt

So fighting in short spurts, taking long breaks to get rest and doing absolutely nothing in between, being passive for 2/3 of the fight, being unable to control the fight = winning. As for landing less, they're both were eating leather, watch the fight again



Tell that to Lewis, Crawford, Foreman, Lara too if you criticize me for the same opinion



******, don't talk to me again if you can't keep your conversation respectful. Got feelings over your ginger boy lol. Sorry I'm not seeing that Rigondeaux type of master technician you're keep talking about. All I see is a boxer with stamina of UFC fighter

Wait, I'm talking to the guy who thinks that bruises on faces is one of scoring criterias lol

Everything u said = DRAW! GGG didn't lose, I don't see what the big deal is.

[champion4ever]

I agree. Scoring a professional prizefight is a very subjective process. Most judges favor the come forward, high punch volume aggressive fighting style while others favor the graceful, cleaner, flashier and eye-catching boxer punching style.

Canelo was the latter. While he landed the cleaner and more beautiful combination punches of the two fighters for much of the bout; However, I am not so convinced that he landed enough of them in order to off set or cancel out GGG's aggressive come forward punch out put.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I had it a draw. And in response to GGG landing more punches, the majority of those punches were jabs that had no effect and led to nothing. The only reason GGG threw so many jabs is because he was so ineffectual with everything else and when Canelo was against the ropes he was afraid to go in due to counter punches from Canelo so he settled on flicking out his jab.

The point of the jab is to set up combinations and GGG was not doing this.
The point of the jab is to use it to get inside and GGG was not using his jab to get inside.
The point of using the jab is for defense and to interrupt the other fighters rhythm or to keep him occupied, keep him at bay.

Now GGG did not use the jab for any of the above reasons. He only used it because he could not land anything else effectively and because he was bothered by Canelo's power shots. GGG was reduced to jab throwing in order to land anything. That is why Canelo was not bothered by the jab nor did he waste energy trying to dodge it. This is why I did not credit GGG's jab with winning him the fight. The jabs landing were immaterial. Plus I will go with Canelo's body punches over GGG jabs any day.

This fight resembles somewhat Toney-Jirov. GGG style is very similar to Jirov. Although Toney was much more effective than Canelo many complained about the outcome of that fight too. HBO had it for Jirov, so did Lederman, and so did the people in attendance and many in the press. But over time history has proven it was a masterful performance by Toney with his precise counter punching, even though he did not throw nearly as many punches as Jirov and Jirov was the aggressor. GGG reminds me so much of Jirov.

Lol. So what does it tell you about the effectiveness of Golovkin's jab if his jab alone forced Canelo Alvarez onto the back foot? Also, what does it tell you about the effectiveness of Canelo Alvarez's so called 'power punches' when even his power punches weren't capable of discouraging, dissuading and stopping Golovkin from applying consistent pressure and how his power punches weren't 'POWERFUL' ENOUGH to prevent Golovkin from coming forward the very next second after he just landed his cleanest punch?

In other words, it doesn't matter whether the punch was a jab or a 'power punch'. It's about which punch was more 'EFFECTIVE'. A 'power punch' is merely any punch that is not a jab. So someone can throw a punch with the rear hand as just as a flicking punch whilst throwing it with just their arm and without applying hip rotation and generating the power from the ground and it would still be called a 'power punch'. Meanwhile, another person can throw their jab with full rotation of their body. In such an instance, the jab is more 'powerful' than the supposed 'power punch'.

Golovkin's jab was simply more effective than Canelo Alvarez's 'power punches'. If Canelo Alvarez's 'power punches' were so effective, they would've forced Golovkin backwards more often and would've dissuaded and discouraged him from applying the pressure that he was constantly able to apply. Yet, that wasn't the case!

Also, the jab has many more purposes than what you've only mentioned. The jab can also serve as a single tool for someone to score points. Golovkin used the jab because he realized that was his best tool to score points. If you go back and look at many of Golovkin's amateur bouts, you'll find that Golovkin was winning entire fights on occasions with just his jab alone.

Also, Jirov and Golovkin have only a few similarities. Golovkin is technically a lot better than Jirov and has a superior jab, range control, footwork and defense. Jirov is a pure pressure fighter whilst Golovkin is a pressure fighter plus boxer puncher hybrid.

[Squ□redCircle34]

Canelo missed 70% of his punches too. So you not the aggressor and still miss 70%. How can you award a fight to a guy who throws less and misses just as much??

Logic is lost on this forum sometimes.

The difference is the percentage as better due to Canelo landing the harder and more effective shots!

I've seen vids of folks trying to give GGG the win and even with edited videos they can barely find any effective punches besides a jab and the rest either missed badly or was blocked!

If I threw over 1000 times but land partial shots and didn't do much damage or harder punches but landed 240 of them right?!

And you threw 400 punches but landed 225 and you hit me with harder shots and even got me to the body numerous times then who wins?

I landed more but was my percentage of quality very low due to ineffective power punches landed and me missing more punches or was you the more quality economical effective fighter landing at higher percentage due to me landing half my shots so in this case...less = more!

I'm just using the compubox narrative since that's where so many get this idea that GGG won!

I've watched the fight twice now and it gets worse for Golovkin everytime!

His only near consistent offense was just his jab and your telling me cuz he came forward more, "took more punishment", and cuz he "worked" more gives him the fight?

It's a boxing match not a bar room brawls where yes in a brawl you coming forward, throwing more and taking more punishment would leave an everlasting impression that you were kicking was!

While the guy in Canelo don't get credit for doing what he wanted when he wanted which is ring generalship!

Canelo threw less punches but still was in a close percentage wise of landing but had a higher percentage of landing the harder more effective punches than GGG who threw more?! Yet no one's mad at GGG for being so sloppy and literally couldn't do much outside of his jab?!

Why is it Canelo's fight to lose? GGG style is coming forward and he did but he also likes guys to stand still which showed cuz he complained about Canelo's movement afterwards which debunks the ideas his style is him as a ring cutter and seek n destroy otherwise Canelo wouldn't have made it to the final bell!


Canelo is a counter puncher who fought back when he wanted isn't that a form of control and ring generalship when your doing what you want?!

GGG wanted to do more but couldn't due to the movement, counter punches and defense of Canelo who made him waste punches when he was on the ropes...thats a form of defense!

[Boxfan83]

1. GGG landed as many head snapping punches and had Canelo do the Stanky leg at the 7th round.
2. GGG whooped Canelo and battered Canelo many times other ropes and had cut off the ring man times on him.
3. GGG made canelo miss by slipping and blocking punches on the inside and not have to use excessive movement unlike Camelot. Canelo landed aLot of Glove and grazing punches.
4. GGG set the pace of the fight from round 4 all the way to the end which Canelo failed to control and in result made Golovkin had his way on him Majority of the late early rounds till the arrival of the championship rounds which it became competitive again.

Refute that and don't give me B.S answers.

That's why it was scored a draw. Both did the same, no more no less.

[Mr Objecitivity]

No, but activity whilst being the more effective agressor and the more effective punch does equal winning a round.

Golovkin's effective aggression is the reason why Canelo Alvarez became as tired as he did. It was due to the 'effects' of Golovkin's relentless pressure and aggression. Effective aggression of Golovkin is also evident by the fact that he was able to force Canelo Alvarez backwards consistently whilst controlling the pace of the fight and limiting Canelo Alvarez's punch output MASSIVELY whilst being able to throw as many punches that he desired.

Golovkin's effective punches are evident by the fact that Golovkin was snapping and forcing Canelo's body and head with his punches more frequently than vice versa. Whilst Canelo Alvarez would land one or two eye catching 'power punches' once every few minutes which look better than they actually are, they have very little of an actual 'effect' on Golovkin as Golovkin is still able to come forward the very next second without getting dissuaded or discouraged from applying his pressure. On the other hand, Golovkin's punches were causing Canelo Alvarez to retreat as well has snapping his head back more frequently.