Activity and Coming Forward Does Not Equal Winning a Round!

[TonyGe]

Does that mean Pac should have won against Floyd... he was the aggressor right?????

PAC did beat Floyd IMO.

[Squ□redCircle34]

There's a bigger chance than it's you getting it wrong than hall of famers and most of legit active fighters

The difference is that fighters like Lara or Rigo (who criticized the scorecards too) are able to neutralize the activity of their opponents

Canelo can't do that.

Some fans talking about ineffective agression, there's ineffictive defense too

Floyd was controlling the distance and pace of fights while being defensive unlike Canelo. He was landing more shots than his opponents unlike Canelo who ended up being outlanded by Golovkin

Canelo was more defensive minded than Golovkin, that's true, but it doesn't mean you should get the victory - Golovkin dictated pace and distance of the fight, especially in mid-rounds, that's why Crawford, Lara, Foreman, Lewis and probably 90% of boxing world scored it for GGG

Canelo was looking impressive when he was fighting in spurts, with better hand speed and counter punching than GGG, but he was taking long breaks to save energy for another spurt, while doing abolutely nothing, making Golovkin more consistent fighter in the result

It's not the same stuff that fighters like Lara or Rigo do. There's no comparison at all

It's coming from a person who picked Canelo to win wide UD in NSB Pick 'Em game. This mother****er failed me because I was expecting him to win. According to some people, he was supposed to give a boxing lesson and get a clear W against the old man, you'd think they're talking about next coming of Mayweather, the same people who celebrate the draw like it was a victory now lol

So once again your following what other's regurgitate apparently!

So you score fights on what you "think" landed but disguise it as you know from compubox?!

Interesting...answer me this!

If your in a fight and you throw more and it lands but not effectively but the other guy is snapping your head back with harder shots while making you miss as well...who would you rather be?

See you boxing fan casuals have the audacity to speak on boxing as if you know anything about the sweet science!

You admit Canelo hitting GGG while making him miss(counter punching) which is a big scoring criteria while you contradict yourself comparing Canelo with Rigo/Lara which coincide with Canelo's style(hit and dont get hit)

How in the hell did Canelo make GGG miss 70% of his punches and gets no credit for that and you have the impudence to claim it was "ineffective defense" smfh!

You say Canelo's defensive minded but yet made GGG miss nearly EVERYTHING including his Sunday's punch!

Floyd controlled distance by using "FOOTWORK"....I'll say it again so you can catch it...Footwork!

He would step outta range to get a better position for his own range and gain better distance to land counters....ring a bell yet?!

He would circle his opponents to make them reset their rhythm and back up to walk his opponents....well you know the "aggressors" into counter punches...still not ringing a bell?!!

Dictating pace means you fighting to your strengths!

I'll say it again, was it a "big drama show" or a boxing match that favors the counter puncher!

You score for fighters that come forward an that throw and miss punches or that lands on gloves or even grazed but not for the guy's that countered with the harder punches (more effective) and defense(hit n don't get hit), and the man who did what he wanted(when he wants to box in the middle, fight close quarters, off the ropes or on the move he did it=ring generalship)

GGG wants a war and toe to toe fight and Canelo made him follow him to counter him up and down with the harder shots and took a rest when he wanted and GGG never capitalized to where it looked like a "big drama show"...you know a knockout or even a knockdown!

So a jab, moving forward , taking more punishment and throwing more, landing less effective punches = winning??

Dude just please stop watching boxing, it's not for you!

Go watch bar room brawls at your local bar at 2am in the morning if you think boxing is about who comes forward, throws more, takes more and is aggressive! SMFH

[g27region]

So once again your following what other's regurgitate apparently!

Nah, I've scored it for Golovkin even without "HBO biased commentary" and without knowing what other people think about the fight

I do admit it was close. Maybe a draw is a fair result, but it wasn't Canelo win, no way

So you score fights on what you "think" landed but disguise it as you know from compubox?!

Interesting...answer me this!

I've scored the fight for Golovkin because he was controlling the fight, dictating pace and distance

If your in a fight and you throw more and it lands but not effectively but the other guy is snapping your head back with harder shots while making you miss as well...who would you rather be?

I'd rather be a guy with belts
They're both were eating leather that night, Golovkin and Canelo too, what you're talking about? You need gifs where Canelo was getting hit or something?

See you boxing fan casuals have the audacity to speak on boxing as if you know anything about the sweet science!

See, if you disrespect the opinion of people who thought Golovkin won then you disrespect the opinion of Lewis, Crawford, Lara and etc. too, I guess they're casuals too

Nothing wrong with being casual anyway, I don't have much time to spend on people who's getting hit in the head all the time

You admit Canelo hitting GGG while making him miss(counter punching) which is a big scoring criteria while you contradict yourself comparing Canelo with Rigo/Lara which coincide with Canelo's style(hit and dont get hit)

He was eating that leather too, yes he was more defensive minded than GGG, but don't make it sound like he was dodging punches like Rigo or something, he was getting hit, especially with that jab. It's not like he was untouchable, and on the top of that he was doing absolutely nothing in mid-rounds, and showed worse stamina than the older man.

Don't get so sensitive that I don't want to admit the greatness of your ginger boy, I don't even give a **** about Golovkin lol. But is it me or your boy couldn't even get a clear victory against old overrated one-dimensional brawler and bum beater?

How in the hell did Canelo make GGG miss 70% of his punches and gets no credit for that and you have the impudence to claim it was "ineffective defense" smfh!

If you want to watch effective defense, watch Rigo/Donaire
Mayweather/Canelo
That's what you call a boxing lesson
Now watch Canelo/GGG, where Saul couldn't even control the fight

You say Canelo's defensive minded but yet made GGG miss nearly EVERYTHING including his Sunday's punch!

Nearly everything? Don't pretend like Canelo wasn't taking punishment too, they're both were open to hit

Floyd controlled distance by using "FOOTWORK"....I'll say it again so you can catch it...Footwork!

He would step outta range to get a better position for his own range and gain better distance to land counters....ring a bell yet?!

He would circle his opponents to make them reset their rhythm and back up to walk his opponents....well you know the "aggressors" into counter punches...still not ringing a bell?!!

Dictating pace means you fighting to your strengths!

I'll say it again, was it a "big drama show" or a boxing match that favors the counter puncher!

We were watching different fights

You were watching the fight where Canelo displayed Rigondeaux type of skills, boxed circles around GGG, was humiliating him in front of public like he was the second coming of Mayweather with godlike defense and superior reflexes

I was watching the fight where Canelo was barely throwing anything between these short spurts, was being absolutely passive for entire mid rounds, at the peak of his physical conditions showed worse stamina than 35 y.o opponent, that's a fact

I need Adelaide Byrd's type of glasses to see that Mayweather-esque talent in Canelo. Sorry that I'm not seeing the same potential

Don't dare to compare that ginger to Mayweather again, Floyd was always busy in his fights

You score for fighters that come forward an that throw and miss punches or that lands on gloves or even grazed but not for the guy's that countered with the harder punches (more effective) and defense(hit n don't get hit), and the man who did what he wanted(when he wants to box in the middle, fight close quarters, off the ropes or on the move he did it=ring generalship)

I score for fighters who dictate pace and distance, outland the opponent, controlling the fight, all these criterias are not in Canelo's favor, he was landing cleaner punches though, I'm giving the credit where it's deserved, but that's it

GGG wants a war and toe to toe fight and Canelo made him follow him to counter him up and down with the harder shots and took a rest when he wanted and GGG never capitalized to where it looked like a "big drama show"...you know a knockout or even a knockdown!

So the fact Canelo didnt get carried out on a stretcher is already a win?

So a jab, moving forward , taking more punishment and throwing more, landing less effective punches = winning??

It'd be hard to not throw more than Canelo because the kid was barely throwing anything at all when he was reserving energy for next spurt

So fighting in short spurts, taking long breaks to get rest and doing absolutely nothing in between, being passive for 2/3 of the fight, being unable to control the fight = winning. As for landing less, they're both were eating leather, watch the fight again

Dude just please stop watching boxing, it's not for you!

Tell that to Lewis, Crawford, Foreman, Lara too if you criticize me for the same opinion

Go watch bar room brawls at your local bar at 2am in the morning if you think boxing is about who comes forward, throws more, takes more and is aggressive! SMFH

******, don't talk to me again if you can't keep your conversation respectful. Got feelings over your ginger boy lol. Sorry I'm not seeing that Rigondeaux type of master technician you're keep talking about. All I see is a boxer with stamina of UFC fighter

Wait, I'm talking to the guy who thinks that bruises on faces is one of scoring criterias lol

[Sidney Powell]

Of course it equals winning a round. While Canelo was landing the better punches in a few rounds, GGG was doing the more effective walking forward and receiving punches in those rounds.

Faced with this fact, I had no choice but to score the fight 12-0 for GGG.

[Squ□redCircle34]

Nah, I've scored it for Golovkin even without "HBO biased commentary" and without knowing what other people think about the fight

I do admit it was close



I've scored the fight for Golovkin because he was controlling the fight, dictating pace and distance



I'd rather be a guy with belts
They're both were eating leather that night, Golovkin and Canelo too, what you're talking about? You need gifs where Canelo was getting hit or something?



See, if you disrespect the opinion of people who thought Golovkin won then you disrespect the opinion of Lewis, Crawford, Lara and etc. too, I guess they're casuals too

Nothing wrong with being casual anyway, I don't have much time to spend on people who's getting hit in the head all the time



He was eating that leather too, yes he was more defensive minded than GGG, but don't make it sound like he was dodging punches like Rigo or something, he was getting hit, especially with that jab. It's not like he was untouchable, and on the top of that he was doing absolutely nothing in mid-rounds, and showed worse stamina than the older man.

Don't get so sensitive that I don't want to admit the greatness of your ginger boy, I don't even give a **** about Golovkin lol. But is it me or your boy couldn't even get a clear victory against old overrated one-dimensional brawler and bum beater?



If you want to watch effective defense, watch Rigo/Donaire
Mayweather/Canelo
That's what you call a boxing lesson
Now watch Canelo/GGG, where Saul couldn't even control the fight



Nearly everything? Don't pretend like Canelo wasn't taking punishment too, they're both were open to hit



We were watching different fights

You were watching the fight where Canelo displayed Rigondeaux type of skills, boxed circles around GGG, was humiliating him in front of public like he was the second coming of Mayweather with godlike defense and superior reflexes

I was watching the fight where Canelo was barely throwing anything between these short spurts, was being absolutely passive for entire mid rounds, at the peak of his physical conditions showed worse stamina than 35 y.o opponent, that's a fact

I need Adelaide Byrd's type of glasses to see that Mayweather-esque talent in Canelo. Sorry that I'm not seeing the same potential

Don't dare to compare that ginger to Mayweather again, Floyd was always busy in his fights



I score for fighters who dictate pace and distance, outland the opponent, controlling the fight, all these criterias are not in Canelo's favor, he was landing cleaner punches though, I'm giving the credit where it's deserved, but that's it



So the fact Canelo didnt get carried out on a stretcher is already a win?



It'd be hard to not throw more than Canelo because the kid was barely throwing anything at all when he was reserving energy for next spurt

So fighting in short spurts, taking long breaks to get rest and doing absolutely nothing in between, being passive for 2/3 of the fight, being unable to control the fight = winning. As for landing less, they're both were eating leather, watch the fight again



Tell that to Lewis, Crawford, Foreman, Lara too if you criticize me for the same opinion



******, don't talk to me again if you can't keep your conversation respectful. Got feelings over your ginger boy lol. Sorry I'm not seeing that Rigondeaux type of master technician you're keep talking about. All I see is a boxer with stamina of UFC fighter

Wait, I'm talking to the guy who thinks that bruises on faces is the main scoring criteria lol

Apologies for the insults, it was not needed and I was wrong for that!

I'll put it this way, I'll respectfully disagree with you on your opinion and vice versa!

Fights can be scored subjectively and a rematch is needed to settle this!

Canelo vs GGG 2 May 2018 or September 2018

[Ray*]

A lot of people don't know shit about boxing. Walking someone down and missing most of your shot doesn't mean you win the round. This fight reminds me of the Mayweather v De la Hoya fight. Oscar walking TBE down and throwing crowd pleasing 7 shots with like 6 missing there target and 1 graving shot landing, but with TBE countering him with a more powerful right hand shot to the face. For me this Canel GGG fight was close, had Canelo winning but thought a draw from fairer to both guys.

[illwill112]

So my understanding from this post is that few of you here obviously seem to know more about the sport of boxing than even the pros themselves as a majority of pro boxers, analyst and **** a majority of the world for that matter had GGG the clear winner.

It's obvious some of you need to your own ego's in check because some of you are straight delusional.

[satiev1]

The Narrative of this Fight for those that had GGG winning seems to be based on his Activity, Workrate and because he was the Fighter who appeared to be coming Forward.

The Problem with that Narrative is there's a difference between Effective Aggression where you're the Fighter coming forward and landing the more telling, harder punches and the Real Narrative of this Fight which was GGG throwing lots of Punches and coming forward but Missing with most of his Punches and being countered by Harder more explosive punches from Canelo.

Canelo won the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Rounds based on him landing the Better Cleaner Punches.

I did think GGG won rounds 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 due to Canelo not being as effective with his punches or landing as cleanly as he did in RDS 1-3 especially to the body so after 9 rounds i had GGG WINNING this fight 6-3 and i thought he would go on to win the fight comfortably.

Canelo had a second wind though and won the 10th, 11th and 12th based on Cleaner Crisper Punching. His activity wasn't at the same level as GGG but his Punches were far more effective.

After 12 Rounds, i had this Fight 114-114. I would be fine with 115-113 either way but i think a DRAW was the fairest Result.

Great Fight, hopefully we get the Re-match in May 2018.

I had ggg winning rd 3 and 11. How you can give rd 11 to canelo? WOW He had one 10 second flurry that's it.

[g27region]

Apologies for the insults, it was not needed and I was wrong for that!

I'll put it this way, I'll respectfully disagree with you on your opinion and vice versa!

Fights can be scored subjectively and a rematch is needed to settle this!

Canelo vs GGG 2 May 2018 or September 2018

We cool
It has to happen. I'll bet on Canelo in a rematch

[A-Wolf]

So, you saw Lara beat canelo doing the same thing, right?

^^^^^