Comments Thread For: GGG's Promoter Hopes Canelo Rematch Process is Not Drawn Out

[aboutfkntime]

I'm specifically telling you this guy is a hater. If you are his advocate so be it. The guy is a pure hater and not because he doesn't acknowledge Golovkin as some killer, best ever, blah blah blah. Read his post over the course of the last few months and it is 100% obvious to me that the guy is not reasoned, he is an emotional btch. BTW there are haters for every fighter. There are haters of athletes in every sport. I get the difference between being critical and having a contrary opinion and the hater. That isn't to say haters don't have any valid opinions, but when it is 100% hate that isn't someone interest in a true discussion.

I am a Golovkin fan and I'm a boxing fan. I don't care what your perception of what I am is. I know the reality. I'm just not wasting my time any longer on certain people. I view the hater generally as a loser in life. This is the petty guy who never accomplished sht and gets their kicks by trying to destroy. You can throw in the race baiters too, petty f'n people who are life's losers.

I will respond to people who want to discuss any boxer reasonably. I've seen this guy's clown show act before. You answer him with reasonable points and he is incapable of having an intelligent discussion about Golovkin. I'm a Golovkin fan but I value intellectual honesty first. I'm not going to go back and forth discussing this clown and discussing Golovkin. He is no longer worth my time. If you want to discuss the fight then just drop bringing him up and stuff that doesn't necessarily apply to me.

jeeezuss.... what a fkn cry that was

shall we switch back to boxing ? LMAO

[TonyGe]

with respect, Mayweather..... ???

any talk of Mayweather/Pacquiao came from Team Bullshht

that was totally unrealistic, those fights were NEVER going to happen..... Golovkin's money-fight was always going to be Miguel Cotto

before the Cotto/Canelo fight back in 2015, Golovkin's biggest payday was Miguel Cotto, no question..... that fight looked inevitable

but I think Cotto has to be removed from that list as well

the 153lb SUPERSTAR Cotto said this..... "all of my middleweight opponents will be at catchweight, I am not a middleweight"

Team Bullshht said..... " 160 or no fight "

that is not " targeting ", that is building a roadblock you know will kill the fight..... which is bizarre for a guy who can apparently make 154

Froch, the last I heard was.....
"I was talking to Tom Loeffler, who is his promoter, publicist or his manager. I asked him what weight Golovkin would fight [me at] because right now I'm 180-pounds. So I asked if he would come up to 172 and he said 'no,' that he probably wouldn't come up to super middleweight. The only fight I’d come back for potentially is Golovkin," Froch told Talk Sport.
“So if I was to come back, it would have to be for a really big fight like Gennady Golovkin, but having said that he's too small and talking about dropping down to 155-pounds to fight Canelo Alvarez. These are small guys compared to me.”

I don't think that fight was ever realistic, that discussion was filmed by IFL TV and is on Youtube..... it lasted about 5 minutes and was mostly good-hearted, tongue-in-cheek, banter..... it ended with Froch saying that he was too-big too-strong, and that he would smash little Golovkin to bits at 172

all of that talk was just grandstanding in my opinion..... because Team Golovkin have never lifted a finger, or made 1 single concession, in order to land a big fight..... not saying that they should have considered 172, but they refused to drop 1 single pound for the superstar Cotto, so..... just more grandstanding in my book

Chavez maybe, not sure..... I'm sure they would take that fight in a heartbeat..... but Chavez is not elite, so maybe he should be removed as well?

none of those names were seriously considered, let alone targeted, except for maybe Chavez

another point..... someone with Lara/Ward/Cotto/Froch on his resume would be a bad boy, even if he didn't win them all

Lara... I absolutely don't understand the fascination with Lara. I think he's not an elite fighter.. He lost that fight with Canelo because he ran too much and neglicted to punch enought to make up for it.

[Diego Rodriguez]

jeeezuss.... what a fkn cry that was

shall we switch back to boxing ? LMAO

Not with me chump, you're a clown show. I think someone pointed out why you're likely the hater you are. Got a hunch they're on to something. No time for tools with that mindset.

[aboutfkntime]

Lara... I absolutely don't understand the fascination with Lara. I think he's not an elite fighter.. He lost that fight with Canelo because he ran too much and neglicted to punch enought to make up for it.

you mean, he lost a boxing match ?

I see Lara beating 90% of the opponents on Golovkin's record

there was absolutely no reason whatsoever not to fight him

well, there was one

to be honest, I see Golovkin/Lara going the same way that Canelo/Lara went..... with Golovkin probably getting the win

but Lara is notoriously difficult to look good against, and I suspect that Golovkin's KO streak would have ended in that fight..... they did not want to risk looking bad, failing to put Lara away, or a close/controversial ending

it is obvious to me why they did not make that unnecessary, risky, low-reward, fight...... even if others won't admit it

pretty sure that makes Lara elite

it doesn't matter what you call him really, folks have differing definitions of elite..... Lara is a VERY good, top-level, world-class fighter..... who only lost a close/debatable decision to the fat red kid

[aboutfkntime]

Not with me chump, you're a clown show. I think someone pointed out why you're likely the hater you are. Got a hunch they're on to something. No time for tools with that mindset.

nor any time for logical accurate boxing content

go cry elsewhere

that is like your 3rd consecutive cry, whining about other posters, and not mentioning boxing at all

you don't post, you cry online

[yankees7448]

with respect, Mayweather..... ???

any talk of Mayweather/Pacquiao came from Team Bullshht

Never said it didn't. He was making a couple points that I was disagreeing with. The big one was that he said GGG's team was soley focused on Canelo. So you're essentially agreeing with me.

that was totally unrealistic, those fights were NEVER going to happen.....

I 100% agree. I don't think even they thought those fights had a reasonable amount of chance of happening. I think its one of those things where everyone who between 140 and 160 who wants a big money fight calls for one of them and hopes for the best.

Golovkin's money-fight was always going to be Miguel Cotto

I disagree. Cotto never wanted it. Canelo was always the more realistic option. He was a young guy who was still growing. He'd eventually grow out of the 154 pound division. Cotto had probably reached his peak at 154. As it is, I don't think he carried his power up to 154 anyway.

the 153lb SUPERSTAR Cotto said this..... "all of my middleweight opponents will be at catchweight, I am not a middleweight"

Team Bullshht said..... " 160 or no fight "

that is not " targeting ", that is building a roadblock you know will kill the fight..... which is bizarre for a guy who can apparently make 154

First of all, I don't think you understand how roadblocks work. A road without a block is one in which traffic moves freely. If the cops set up a road block traffic cannot move freely. You cannot accuse the drivers who have to change direction to go around the roadblock of settling up a road block. That's not how it works in real life and that isn't how things work in your metaphor. Cotto said "this fight only happens under these circumstance" and GGG's team reacted to it. Cotto created the roadblock. GGG's team reacted to it.

Secondly, Cotto also pulled the "who did this guy fight" and he needs to fight an A-level fighter before he gets the fight" nonsense as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3Svh2y5qA&ytbChannel=null

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YyHHk3i4W4

Froch, the last I heard was.....
"I was talking to Tom Loeffler, who is his promoter, publicist or his manager. I asked him what weight Golovkin would fight [me at] because right now I'm 180-pounds. So I asked if he would come up to 172 and he said 'no,' that he probably wouldn't come up to super middleweight. The only fight I’d come back for potentially is Golovkin," Froch told Talk Sport.
“So if I was to come back, it would have to be for a really big fight like Gennady Golovkin, but having said that he's too small and talking about dropping down to 155-pounds to fight Canelo Alvarez. These are small guys compared to me.”

I don't think that fight was ever realistic, that discussion was filmed by IFL TV and is on Youtube..... it lasted about 5 minutes and was mostly good-hearted, tongue-in-cheek, banter..... it ended with Froch saying that he was too-big too-strong, and that he would smash little Golovkin to bits at 172

all of that talk was just grandstanding in my opinion..... because Team Golovkin have never lifted a finger, or made 1 single concession, in order to land a big fight..... not saying that they should have considered 172, but they refused to drop 1 single pound for the superstar Cotto, so..... just more grandstanding in my book

First of all, there is a lot of grandstanding coming from Froch as well. He couldn't realistically believe that he was going to drag GGG up to that weight. I find it really fascinating that you would criticize GGG for settling on Kell Brook to save the event after negotiations with Chris Eubanks Jr fell apart BUT don't even blink when Carl Froch asked GGG's promoter to have GGG jump to 172. There is a big difference between settling on an opponent who has to move up a ton of weight and then actively trying to get an opponent to move up a ton of weight.

Secondly, I think the big problem people like you have is GGG's quote where he said he would fight anyone from 154-168. He said he'd fight anyone from those weight classes. He didn't say he'd move up and down in weight or how much he'd be willing to move. Furthermore, that quote came from him all the way back in 2012. Things change. Maybe he was able to drop down to 154 back in 2012. It may no longer have been possible in 2015.

Chavez maybe, not sure..... I'm sure they would take that fight in a heartbeat..... but Chavez is not elite, so maybe he should be removed as well?

I don't consider Chavez an A-level fighter either. That was part of my initial problem with the guy. He talks about GGG not fighting A-level guys who called him out but I think you first need to define who is an A-level fighter. Maybe Chavez Jr could have been considered that before the Sergio Martinez fight. But he got exposed in that fight and hasn't looked great since the final minute and a half of that fight.

another point..... someone with Lara/Ward/Cotto/Froch on his resume would be a bad boy, even if he didn't win them all

Lara never moved up from 154 so that's on him. Cotto won a belt in GGG's division, demanded GGG fight for that belt at a catchweight and then left the division when he lost. Not fighting GGG is on him. Ward hasn't made 168 since 2013. I don't think he was ever really serious about the GGG fight. Not that he didn't think he could beat GGG. Not that he wouldn't have taken that fight with GGG. Just that it was never really possible because of the weight issue so I think it was mostly just grandstanding on his end with a sprinkle of " I would do cartwheels if it actually happened" mixed in.

I don't really blame Froch. I don't really think his heart was in it anymore anyway. Its kind of similar to Ward. I think he would have taken the fight in the right circumstances but I don't think he was at the point in his life where he really wanted to fight.

And yes, someone who fought those guys and gave a good account of himself even in defeat would be a bada$$.

[yankees7448]

So who did they voluntarily try and make a fight with? If it's "patently untrue", surely you can give me a name and source it. All we got was Loeffler in the media providing conjecture about what fights the would consider fighting. What fight did they work on?

They worked on Carl Froch:

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news...nnady-golovkin

"When I retired, I retired at the right time, but I had no concerns about facing Golovkin. It was just all about the timing. The timing was all wrong and they wanted me to take some weight off as well. I had been out of the ring for over a year when they really started talking seriously."

So GGG's team wanted him to come down a little bit below 168. At the same time Carl Froch wanted GGG to come up to 172 since he felt he wouldn't be able to safetly come in at 168 at that point in his career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=GWXsp1Z8ewE

So I think negotiations there were earnest. It was as Froch stated "a matter of timing". A few years earlier it would have been possible. But by the time GGG got big enough to come up on Froch's radar as a serious opponent it was probably too late to come up with a fair weight for both.

So that's just one example of one A-level fighter they tried to make a fight with.

[Diego Rodriguez]

nor any time for logical accurate boxing content

go cry elsewhere

that is like your 3rd consecutive cry, whining about other posters, and not mentioning boxing at all

you don't post, you cry online

itsAboutTimeIdouched - you've been verbally slapped and beaten so many times I've lost track. You're a mental midget. At some point I've come to the realization that I'm really beating up on a tard, actually you're something far sadder than that. That ain't cool.

[aboutfkntime]

Never said it didn't. He was making a couple points that I was disagreeing with. The big one was that he said GGG's team was soley focused on Canelo. So you're essentially agreeing with me.



I 100% agree. I don't think even they thought those fights had a reasonable amount of chance of happening. I think its one of those things where everyone who between 140 and 160 who wants a big money fight calls for one of them and hopes for the best.


I disagree. Cotto never wanted it. Canelo was always the more realistic option. He was a young guy who was still growing. He'd eventually grow out of the 154 pound division. Cotto had probably reached his peak at 154. As it is, I don't think he carried his power up to 154 anyway.




First of all, I don't think you understand how roadblocks work. A road without a block is one in which traffic moves freely. If the cops set up a road block traffic cannot move freely. You cannot accuse the drivers who have to change direction to go around the roadblock of settling up a road block. That's not how it works in real life and that isn't how things work in your metaphor. Cotto said "this fight only happens under these circumstance" and GGG's team reacted to it. Cotto created the roadblock. GGG's team reacted to it.

Secondly, Cotto also pulled the "who did this guy fight" and he needs to fight an A-level fighter before he gets the fight" nonsense as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3Svh2y5qA&ytbChannel=null

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YyHHk3i4W4

First of all, there is a lot of grandstanding coming from Froch as well. He couldn't realistically believe that he was going to drag GGG up to that weight. I find it really fascinating that you would criticize GGG for settling on Kell Brook to save the event after negotiations with Chris Eubanks Jr fell apart BUT don't even blink when Carl Froch asked GGG's promoter to have GGG jump to 172. There is a big difference between settling on an opponent who has to move up a ton of weight and then actively trying to get an opponent to move up a ton of weight.

Secondly, I think the big problem people like you have is GGG's quote where he said he would fight anyone from 154-168. He said he'd fight anyone from those weight classes. He didn't say he'd move up and down in weight or how much he'd be willing to move. Furthermore, that quote came from him all the way back in 2012. Things change. Maybe he was able to drop down to 154 back in 2012. It may no longer have been possible in 2015.



I don't consider Chavez an A-level fighter either. That was part of my initial problem with the guy. He talks about GGG not fighting A-level guys who called him out but I think you first need to define who is an A-level fighter. Maybe Chavez Jr could have been considered that before the Sergio Martinez fight. But he got exposed in that fight and hasn't looked great since the final minute and a half of that fight.





Lara never moved up from 154 so that's on him. Cotto won a belt in GGG's division, demanded GGG fight for that belt at a catchweight and then left the division when he lost. Not fighting GGG is on him. Ward hasn't made 168 since 2013. I don't think he was ever really serious about the GGG fight. Not that he didn't think he could beat GGG. Not that he wouldn't have taken that fight with GGG. Just that it was never really possible because of the weight issue so I think it was mostly just grandstanding on his end with a sprinkle of " I would do cartwheels if it actually happened" mixed in.

I don't really blame Froch. I don't really think his heart was in it anymore anyway. Its kind of similar to Ward. I think he would have taken the fight in the right circumstances but I don't think he was at the point in his life where he really wanted to fight.

And yes, someone who fought those guys and gave a good account of himself even in defeat would be a bada$$.

neither did Gabe Rosado..... and guess what genius, they were more than happy to OFFER the gatekeeper Rosado a catchweight, but they totally refused to negotiate on weight with the world-class SUPERSTAR Cotto

so..... gatekeeper, no problem..... superstar, no way

you can spin that however you like, and I am sure you will

you are just an excuse-bag, rolling them out, right on cue

[aboutfkntime]

itsAboutTimeIdouched - you've been verbally slapped and beaten so many times I've lost track. You're a mental midget. At some point I've come to the realization that I'm really beating up on a tard, actually you're something far sadder than that. That ain't cool.

nah, I haven't

but I can see you apologist alt's coming a mile away

is that your 4th consecutive whiny non-boxing post, or your 5th ?

hard to keep track now