No Idea How Some Folks Score A Fight

[chrisJS]

Basically, a lot of people judge on who they want to win and what fits their agenda better. Simple as. I've seen the same people who are bragging Canelo's clean punches as to why he won as ignoring that in Kovalev-Ward I.

[bigdunny1]

Exactly why I had Canelo winning.

The cleaner shots were ALL Canelo, especially to the body, can't stress that enough. ggg's only consistent punch throughout the fight was his jab.

I keep seeing people not scoring body punching over and over and over again, Canelo absolutely dominated that category.

On the ropes he was effectively countering and picking off ggg's shots, in the middle of the ring he was constantly winning the exchanges and snapping g's head back.

exactly can't give credit to GGG just for coming forward being busy when it was flat out ineffective, missing comically bad whenever he tried to land something big, most of his shots he did land were grazing or arm flicks. Rarely anything clean. While Canelo hands down landed the cleaner shots, hands down landed the harder shots, outlanded in power shots 7 of the 12 rounds, outlanded to the body. So basically all GGG out landed canelo with was jabs most of which had zero power because they were grazing, pawing he was struggling when he loaded up.

[daggum]

Because many of those jabs missed or were partially blocked.

Yes, Golovkin came forward and jabbed, well at times.

But, G MISSED his jab OVER 250 times!!!!

He WHIFFED on OVER 230 powershots.

That was VERY noticeable.

And, last I checked, you don't get points for windmills.

But, you DO get them for Defense, which Canelo showed.

wtf yes you do

[pesticid]

Great thread, I agree with everything the thread starter said

[koolkc107]

wtf yes you do

I stand corrected.

MOST OF THE TIME you don't get points for windmills.

[koolkc107]

Great thread, I agree with everything the thread starter said

Appreciate it, man!

[R_Walken]

I'm wondering the same thing from the Thread starter who wants to give Canelo 7-8 rounds

Like come on

[Boxnation fan]

It isn't rocket science, folks.

4 Criteria:

Ring Generalship
Effective Aggression
Defense
Hard Clean Punches

I gave Golovkin Ring Generalship. He dictated the pace and how the fight was fought. But, it is the only one of the 4 criteria he won.

Canelo was not aggressive, seeking to move and counter. But, while Golovkin did cut the ring off beautifully all night, there often was zero payoff when he trapped Canelo on the ropes. I think this was the biggest factor in the fight. Golovkin had mixed results at best when he got Canelo where he wanted him.

When it comes to Defense, it isn't close. Saul constantly thwarted Golovkin when Gennady got close, blocking most of what Golovkin threw, and rolling most of what got thru. By contrast, it seemed that Canelo could flurry and throw in combination whenever he got ready- granted, there were rounds where he did not throw as much as he should have.

Hard Clean Punches was won far and away by Canelo. The fact that Golovkin walked right thru most of them doesn't mean you do not score them. And while Golovkin did land some heavy shots of his own, they were not as clean as Saul's shots nor did they come as often as Canelos. Gennady did display an pretty effective jab at times, but it was also often superfluous as Canelo was moving away too much of the time for it to score as landed.

I had it 7 rounds to 5 for Canelo.

Saul won rounds 1 thru 4, round 6, and the championship rounds 11 and 12.

I had Golovkin taking 5, and rounds 7 thru 10.

3 of the rounds I gave Golovkin (5,7, and 10) were close enough to have been scored the other way.

Only one of the rounds I gave Canelo (4) might have gone for Golovkin.

My guess is in the rematch, Canelo will win a clear and wide decision.

One thing he can do is get in good enough shape to throw more punches more often- which I grant may be much harder than it sounds.

The other thing he can do is look to flurry, then tie up Golovkin more often, keeping things in the middle of the ring more.

P.S.- I can't help thinking that what Jacobs did to Golovkin is looking better all the time.

P.S. II- I know folks are up in arms over Adelaide Byrd's scorecard. 118-110 is absurd. But, that doesn't mean you could not score the fight for Canelo. If she had turned in a card of 115-113 for Saul, we would have the same result. Let's not get so carried away by what is clearly a corrupt or inept judge that we lose sight of the fact that, of the many possible outcomes, a draw was quite within the realm of acceptability.

Brilliant Post.

The reason that some many people think that GGG was robbed is due to the Narrative fed them based on GGG's higher workrate and punch output.

Canelo just landed the more telling, crisper and solid punches to the Head and Body and i gave him at least 6 rds and was being as fair to GGG as possible.

A DRAW or 7-5 either way was the Right Way to Score this fight and TWO of the THREE JUDGES SAW IT THAT WAY TOO.

[Oluminati]

You say Canelo blocked and rolled most of GGG's punches yet he could land his punches at will. Can you explain then why he was out-landed overall and crucially was out-landed in almost every round?

Don't trust compubox. Trusting compubox is like trusting the judges. One of them compubox clicking dudes may have been as bad as Adelaide Bird!

Edit:

If you accept compubox numbers, then you should accept the judges' decisions.

[AKAcronym]

Same people defending Canelo were the ones you already knew weren't gonna give Golovkin credit. No surprise