Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas: Golovkin Has Declined, Exposed as One-Dimensional

[juny_sabor]

Train at altitude.. live at sea level. That's why there is an olympic training center in Colroado Springs.

[Joe Beamish]

yep one dimensional, old, stiff,slow, plodding, vulnerable to body shots. you name a bad attribute and golovkins got it apparantly. surprised hes not 0-37 with him being as ****e as everyone says he is.

He's absolute crap. You can see it. Brook defeated Golovkin easily, except for getting his face broken. But that doesn't count. This is boxing, a delicate dance.

Jacobs defeated Golovkin. The knockdown was a push. And Jacobs' face was all beat up because, well, he has thin skin. And Jacobs totally sucks anyway.

Monroe beat the hell out of Golovkin. Did you see him when he fought inside? He dominated. Okay so he lost his footing and slipped three times and fell down. And at the end, Monroe told the ref, "I'm number one." But the ref thought he said, "I'm done", and stopped the fight.

But Monroe is right. Golovkin got nothing. He will lose to Canelo.

Easy.

[Lemonhead_Jeff]

You're right. He bases his predictions on what will generate the most headlines.

You think Boxing Scene would not have published an article if Teddy picked GGG?

[Lemonhead_Jeff]

The sarcasm is completely my style and genuinely appreciated, but thing is, Teddy is contradicting much of what he himself said about Golovkin before the 3rd Pac/Bradley fight.

The switch happened after Bradley changed trainers from Joel Diaz to Atlas for Pac 3, and while Atlas and Roach seemed to be verbally squaring off, Sanchez waded in with:

'I see the same thing happening that happened in the last fights. I don’t think Teddy is going to change a five time world champion. Teddy seems to just make it a show about himself and not about the fighter. Timothy Bradley is very skilled and he won five titles with Joel Diaz. If there’s anything that Teddy will do is make it more of a sideshow'

Ever since then Atlas has been trashing Golovkin. All soap opera ish (or is that soap operatic?)

edit: and if you want to follow the feud further. Before the Sanchez feud, Atlas said Golovkin couldn't have done what he's done being 1 dimensional. Now he uses the 1-dimensional tag as his primary reason for not having Golovkin in his P4P top 10. Thing is, Atlas is on the ESPN judging panel that determines ESPN's P4P top 10. If Atlas had Golovkin anywhere in his top 10, Golovkin would get points in ESPN's scoring system. So he doesn't.....

Atlas is among many experts who have changed their opinions and/or picks over time. Does everybody have an ulterior motive for changing their mind? It has to be a result of feuds, dislike, or other petty reasons? It can't be the result of them honestly believing the 28-year-old Canelo has improved while the 35-year-old GGG has possibly been declining?

[rrayvez]

That's my opinion I say that because Jacobs literally doesn't have not one signature win... don't come at me with quillin because where is he at now? I make my comments based on facts not just run my mouth for no reason. You think Jacobs is good because media and analyst have or had him as 2nd best mw prior to ggg? Well I don't listen to them I go by my own reasonings.

so it's irrelevant that quillin was an undefeated fighter who was considered to be the second best mw for several yrs and jacobs wiped him out in 1? Do you even read what you're writing? I don't need media to influence my perception of a fighter. It's ironic because your love of Canelo definitely isn't based on what you see in the ring and you know it. If he wasn't Mexican your perception of him would be quite different. So you shouldn't question other people's knowledge of boxing when you written some of the most absurd comments on this site.

[juny_sabor]

Atlas left Tyson years before that fight, while Cus was still alive and Tyson was 15.

How is a person a member on a boxing forum and not know that? dumbfounded.

[Shadoww702]

How is a person a member on a boxing forum and not know that? dumbfounded.

By being young and not born then... I'm sure you'll tell me about all the great fighters of the 1800's.

Don't be a dic next time. And ive taken. Lots of money from so called experts like you all the time.

What round you got GGGing Canelo in??? 2? 3? 5?? I could use a good laugh! What's your prediction Cleo??? Fkn *******.

[bronx7]

Teddy you mean won dimensional never lost. Highest ko % of any middle champ. 2 short of defense record. Best jab in division strongest most accurate. Check compubox punchstat article above yours so not won dimensional hater where is Bradley?

[angkag]

Atlas is among many experts who have changed their opinions and/or picks over time. Does everybody have an ulterior motive for changing their mind? It has to be a result of feuds, dislike, or other petty reasons? It can't be the result of them honestly believing the 28-year-old Canelo has improved while the 35-year-old GGG has possibly been declining?

Its not like Atlas phrases it that way, ie 'I used to think GGG could do it all, but since Brook I've seen decline to where he's lost the ability to do this-and-that, and he's become 1-dimensional'.

That would be fair enough, but the leap to 1-dimensional went unexplained as if it had always been that way. If I change my mind on something I'll explain it - he didn't. It also doesn't seem justified in any way. He fought a difficult opponent in Jacobs and won. Jacobs hit on the fly and Golovkin couldn't pin him down. If Atlas would say '2 years ago Golovkin would have handled that' ok again, supports a view of decline.

So maybe we go to the 'exposed' statement he made of Golovkin. ie he thought Golovkin was able to put it all together, but now thinks he can't. That makes no sense as he used to justify that Golovkin was not 1-dimensional as 'you can't go 400 fights in the amateurs unless you can put it together', yet now he never could ? So we're back to decline again.

I'm all for changing opinions whenever new evidence presents itself that requires re-assessment, and vociferously anti sticking to opinions regardless of emerging information that suggest a need to rethink. But dramatic u-turns without reasonable explanation, as Atlas has done, is odd.

Again 'puts it all together, he can do it all' to '1-dimensional'. That's pretty dramatic

[aboutfkntime]

Its not like Atlas phrases it that way, ie 'I used to think GGG could do it all, but since Brook I've seen decline to where he's lost the ability to do this-and-that, and he's become 1-dimensional'.

That would be fair enough, but the leap to 1-dimensional went unexplained as if it had always been that way. If I change my mind on something I'll explain it - he didn't. It also doesn't seem justified in any way. He fought a difficult opponent in Jacobs and won. Jacobs hit on the fly and Golovkin couldn't pin him down. If Atlas would say '2 years ago Golovkin would have handled that' ok again, supports a view of decline.

So maybe we go to the 'exposed' statement he made of Golovkin. ie he thought Golovkin was able to put it all together, but now thinks he can't. That makes no sense as he used to justify that Golovkin was not 1-dimensional as 'you can't go 400 fights in the amateurs unless you can put it together', yet now he never could ? So we're back to decline again.

I'm all for changing opinions whenever new evidence presents itself that requires re-assessment, and vociferously anti sticking to opinions regardless of emerging information that suggest a need to rethink. But dramatic u-turns without reasonable explanation, as Atlas has done, is odd.

Again 'puts it all together, he can do it all' to '1-dimensional'. That's pretty dramatic

the Canelo/Golovkin debate has been raging for nearly 2 years

I always said that Golovkin was over-hyped and that people were sleeping on the fat red kid..... who will be much better/stronger when he eventually moves to 160

maybe Atlas bought into some of that hype?

either way...... the Jacobs fight showed whats up