Comments Thread For: Can Golovkin Win a Decision Over Canelo Alvarez in Vegas?

[kushking]

GGG needs a knockout. Either that or drop Canelo a few times and leave absolutely no room for anything but a GGG decision. That's just how it goes. I think even Canelo fans can agree that any close round is going to him. He pretty much lost every minute of every round v Floyd and still got a draw on one card. Golden Boy have some clout with the judges, no doubt. Make no mistake, Floyd was on for being robbed in that one if it wasn't so utterly one sided.

In all seriousness though, it's kind of terrible we even have to question things like this in boxing.

Only ******s keep repeating this nonsense that he lost every rd, Showtime flômo ****** like fáglignaggi got u believing this bs. Canelo won at least 3-4 rds on every card,& unlike internet gggimps like keith idec the judges know how to score a fight.

[kushking]

Gggimps like Keith Idec are getting excuses in early af,they been claiming 24/7 that hed get murdered by ggg,& now that the fight they never wanteds happening their claiming robbery before it even starts. Seriously cant wait til gggroupies go into hiding on dsucking sabbatical. Gggtards are the saddest bunch of losers in boxing history,their already making every excuse in the hopes that the judges gift it to ggg if close,& that they can cry robbery if it goes to decision. What happened to ggg by murder,whats da matter huh,ggg gonna have a tum tum ache?

I'm not saying all ggg fans are tards just the groupies.

[angkag]

When was the last time a euro star defeated a northamerican star in a close decision fight?

Was it:

1: Foreman-Schulz
2: De La Hoya - Sturm
3: Ward - Kovalev

??

Answer is ofcourse that it never happens. GGG is aware or should be aware of that. He knows he cannot have make the rounds close as he is behind on points when the bell rings.

So he will go for the KO. And I predict that he will get it.

Golovkin/Jacobs? If you look at all the polls afterwards and how the boxing writers had it, the judges pretty much nailed it.

About 30% had it for Jacobs, about 62% had it for Golovkin (the press had this closer than Ward/Kovalev I).

If you look at the Ward/Kovalev and Golovkin/Jacobs judging, there is one area of consistency - the judges gave it to the one who out-jabbed the other (Ward out-jabbed Kovalev, Golovkin out-jabbed Jacobs by a 3-1 margin. Kovalev landed more power punches, Jacobs landed more power punches).

Lots of uncertainties in this fight, but Canelo's jab stats in past fights are relatively low, while his power-punch stats are relatively high. Golovkin's punch stats are relatively high in both jab and power-punch. But the jab stats from the Golovkin that showed up against Jacobs and Lemoo were off the scale, and no reason to think this fight won't be the same.

Early fight its going to be Golovkin jab and Canelo slipping the jab to land to the body (power-punch), so pattern likely to repeat in this fight.

Will judges go with the jabber again ? Canelo/Trout and Canelo/Lara they didn't (as both Trout and Lara out-jabbed Canelo). Mayweather out-jabbed Canelo by about the same multiple that Golovkin out-jabbed Jacobs (139/44), and also landed more power punches (93/73) but Moretti still gave Canelo 4 rounds.

For sure, Canelo relies more on power punches than jab. His ratio of thrown power-punches/thrown jabs is consistently high.

Jacobs was an elusive target, as was Trout/Mayweather/Lara (people like Brook, Lemoo, Cotto, JCC not so elusive), and if you look at those fights vs 'movers', Golovkin threw more power punches vs Jacobs than Canelo did against any of Lara/Mayweather/Trout. Also landed at a higher percentage.

Put it all together, and if history repeats:
1) Golovkin will out-jab Canelo around 3-1
2) they will throw around the same number of power shots
3) landed % of power shots might be around the same

That last one is tricky as Golovkin historically lands a higher % power shots than Canelo, but historically Canelo gets hit by a lower % of power shots than does Golovkin. If you look at the history, no reason to think it won't even out a bit.

If you then give the power edge to Golovkin (reasonable assumption), if ti goes to points, it should be a Golovkin fight.

[bronx7]

The A side of boxing with the bigger based American promoter never loses even near close decisions ggg would have to have multiple knockdowns almost stoppages. No way he wins if he really wins 7-5.

[bronx7]

The theory is the A side like mayweather did brings back multiple fights high rollers sanctioning fees etc why make them lose

[bronx7]

No history shows ggg will out jab him has most landed and effective will out throw and out land def power shots. Canello will land more combos move around better but because of slow feet will have to engage in large spots

[miked85]

I think CANELO wins, but not sleeping on ggg


Anyway, how big is this fight outside of boxing circles, does it permeate mainstream America?

Does it raise boxing's profile? I doubt it

This fight mainly benefits GGG, cause they longed for this exposure, CANELO doesn't need this as much as ggg needs it

[kushking]

Golovkin/Jacobs? If you look at all the polls afterwards and how the boxing writers had it, the judges pretty much nailed it.

About 30% had it for Jacobs, about 62% had it for Golovkin (the press had this closer than Ward/Kovalev I).

If you look at the Ward/Kovalev and Golovkin/Jacobs judging, there is one area of consistency - the judges gave it to the one who out-jabbed the other (Ward out-jabbed Kovalev, Golovkin out-jabbed Jacobs by a 3-1 margin. Kovalev landed more power punches, Jacobs landed more power punches).

Lots of uncertainties in this fight, but Canelo's jab stats in past fights are relatively low, while his power-punch stats are relatively high. Golovkin's punch stats are relatively high in both jab and power-punch. But the jab stats from the Golovkin that showed up against Jacobs and Lemoo were off the scale, and no reason to think this fight won't be the same.

Early fight its going to be Golovkin jab and Canelo slipping the jab to land to the body (power-punch), so pattern likely to repeat in this fight.

Will judges go with the jabber again ? Canelo/Trout and Canelo/Lara they didn't (as both Trout and Lara out-jabbed Canelo). Mayweather out-jabbed Canelo by about the same multiple that Golovkin out-jabbed Jacobs (139/44), and also landed more power punches (93/73) but Moretti still gave Canelo 4 rounds.

For sure, Canelo relies more on power punches than jab. His ratio of thrown power-punches/thrown jabs is consistently high.

Jacobs was an elusive target, as was Trout/Mayweather/Lara (people like Brook, Lemoo, Cotto, JCC not so elusive), and if you look at those fights vs 'movers', Golovkin threw more power punches vs Jacobs than Canelo did against any of Lara/Mayweather/Trout. Also landed at a higher percentage.

Put it all together, and if history repeats:
1) Golovkin will out-jab Canelo around 3-1
2) they will throw around the same number of power shots
3) landed % of power shots might be around the same

That last one is tricky as Golovkin historically lands a higher % power shots than Canelo, but historically Canelo gets hit by a lower % of power shots than does Golovkin. If you look at the history, no reason to think it won't even out a bit.

If you then give the power edge to Golovkin (reasonable assumption), if ti goes to points, it should be a Golovkin fight.

Your the 1st ggg fan I've seen that uses actual statistics to back up your pov,but you have to remember something canelo fought much more elusive fleet footed,good defense having boxers than ggg before when outjabbed & those stats are very misleading as oftentimes when a fighter is outjabbed its because compubox counts every weak ass punch that barely touches/even misses. And if you look at those fights you'll notice 1 thing canelo lands flashy power combos which rightfully get more points than fighters like lara/trout throwing weak jabs to keep range that canelo uses head movement/torso movement to slip more times than not.

[bronx7]

He did dump belt called ggg in ring years ago challenged him so he did stall facts

[nycsmooth]

I wouldn't trust that cow looking Adelaide Byrd as a judge as far as I could throw her... she's very inconsistent, as well as some of the other more notable, and lesser even know judges like Lisa Giampa, she couldn't tell you if the sky is blue...