Comments Thread For: Canelo: Experience Against Top Opposition Gives Me Edge Over GGG

[Rayzah]

none of his cherry picks can prepare him for a full blow middle weight that can ****. experience in what? if anything GGG has more experience considering he had 350 amateur fights

[boxingitis]

Brook > Khan
Lemieux > Smith, Khan, Kirkland
Lemieux 160 > Cotto 153
Jacobs > Chavez Jr , Khan, Kirkland, Smith

Jacobs 180 fight night >
Cotto 165 fight night.

Jacobs was younger, bigger, fresher, and faster than the Cotto Canelo fought.

I believe GGG has had the tougher opponents in past few years.
My Logic says
GGG>Canelo
Plus if Canelo wins you think he will fight Jacobs or Charlo

[eco1]

Specially Khan!
I get you Canelo, lol.

[Califire209]

Who has ggg ever fought that wasn't a bum or already kod by bums? Most his wins are tkos because the fighters hes facing are enormous underdogs/weak chins &/or had been kod/kd/lost by weak punchers. Only wade/brook were undefeated.Lemeixe,rosado,kod by bums,rubio kod by 3 bums,Jacobs kod by pirog& kd by a featherfist.Cotto kod martinez the proven lineal mw better than gggs resume,cotto kod geale in same rd as ggg,ggg has yet to face a single full mw champion only lemme was vacant undefended"champ".

Lol Kirkland was K.Od in 1 round, Cotto was K.Od, Angulo tkod by Lara, Chavez Jr. Is a joke, liam Smith is a Joke. Amir glassjaw Khan K.Od by lightweight. You smokin crack Homie

[Diego Rodriguez]

Don't forget Canelo's 44-2 amateur record.

Its easy to belittle Golovkin's record, and maybe it boils down to 2 good wins, Jacobs 2017 and Lemieux 2015. Note both are regarded as being in their prime when Golovkin fought them - a key factor.

Canelo has some ATG names on his resume, but if you look closely, you start to see the cracks. If you look for people who could be described as being in their prime when he fought them, and ignoring lower level opposition like Liam Smith (just like we have ignored all of Golovkin's lower level opposition), your left with Mayweather, Lara and Trout. One of which he lost, while the other two were close-run affairs.

The 'names' that he's fought have all been well past their prime: Cotto, Kirkland, Angulo, Mosley.

So Canelo needs to be careful in comparing past opposition as its really just Mayweather/Lara/Trout vs Jacobs/Lemoo. And if you factor in how they both did against that opposition, and the fact that all of Canelo's top opposition was 3 or more years ago, while Golovkin's top opposition has been in the last two years, then the picture starts to morph into something where its easy to arrive at questions about where Canelo has really been over the last couple of years.

And lest we forget, while we anticipate Canelo having the power to trouble Golovkin, Canelo failed to stop all of JCC, Cotto, Lara, Mayweather, Trout.

Just to remind ourselves:

2017
- JCC junior. Really just a stay warm/try out new weight fight against a very flawed opponent.

2016
- Liam Smith and Khan. Neither top level opponents.

2015
- Cotto: Cotto (imo) peaked around 2009, was decent v Mayweather in 2012, but after that came off the boil. Beating a crippled Martinez got him to the Canelo fight, where among other things he was just too small. They couldn't really fight when Cotto was at his peak as it was too early in Canelo's development.
- Kirkland: Inactive for 18 months, minus Wolfe, just not what he was.

2014
- Lara. A SD, many argue Lara won. I thought Canelo edged it, but it was indeed close. Canelo had a lot of difficulty with the movement, not being able to cut the ring off and Lara's speed. Maybe a good learning fight as it taught Canelo many areas where he needed to up his game.
- Angulo: Angulo badly faded at this point and painfully slow, no more than a sparring session for Canelo

2013
- Mayweather: Outclassed
- Trout: This was Canelo's best outing imo as Trout had just beaten a Cotto who still had something left. Sure it was close, most had Canelo winning it by 1 or 2 points, but Canelo came of age in this fight and started showing some real class.

2012
- Josesito Lopez and a badly declined Mosley

This is exactly how I see it. I'm really amazed to a certain extend how much Canelo's stock has risen in the past few months. I'm not saying he isn't an excellent fighter but he has been far from special and his opposition is hardly out of this world. Lots of guys way past their prime or too small, and maybe both.

When I take just look at everything and do not get caught up in the hoopla around the even I think Jacobs was clearly a more dangerous opponent for Golovkin. Jacobs was underestimated and Canelo is overestimated.

Again maybe I'm totally wrong, we'll find out.

[ox805er]

Brook > Khan
Lemieux > Smith, Khan, Kirkland
Lemieux 160 > Cotto 153
Jacobs > Chavez Jr , Khan, Kirkland, Smith

Jacobs 180 fight night >
Cotto 165 fight night.

Jacobs was younger, bigger, fresher, and faster than the Cotto Canelo fought.

I believe GGG has had the tougher opponents in past few years.
My Logic says
GGG>Canelo
Plus if Canelo wins you think he will fight Jacobs or Charlo

Nope! He'll first get DLH to come out of retirement.

Maybe Lemiux

[Diego Rodriguez]

Brook > Khan
Lemieux > Smith, Khan, Kirkland
Lemieux 160 > Cotto 153
Jacobs > Chavez Jr , Khan, Kirkland, Smith

Jacobs 180 fight night >
Cotto 165 fight night.

Jacobs was younger, bigger, fresher, and faster than the Cotto Canelo fought.

I believe GGG has had the tougher opponents in past few years.
My Logic says
GGG>Canelo
Plus if Canelo wins you think he will fight Jacobs or Charlo

There is little doubt in my mind that in the last two years Golovkin's competition has been much better than Canelo's.

[SlySlickSmooth]

All that experience is going to go down the drain the moment he realize he can't sit in the pocket and counter punch with GGG.

[mathed]

Show me 1 shred of proof his amateur record isnt fake.

All that matters is what happens on Sat night! Candelita better be ready!

[suzuky23]

2010 ... Jose Miguel Cotto , Cotto's older bro ... almost ko'd Carrottop in the 1st rd of that fight . Jose was coming offf a 18 month lay offf and used to fight @ 130lbs , for the canelo fight he was 147 ...