Would you consider Pacquiao one of the best offensive fighters of all time?

[WesternChamp]

you clearly do not know the definition of the word fact.

Dunn the definition man lol.

[WesternChamp]

Stop quoting me if you know im just gonna "back down" lol. What a weirdo, your not even worth me quoting you! Lmao

[Zaroku]

He more than likely was. he just got KTFO because he dropped his hands when pressing for the KO.

He cheated, didn't do PED testing, refused to fight Floyd, and then got KTFO. That is KARMA!! You understand what the word means now?

HAHAHAHAHA

Nope!! He threw himself on the well timed right hand after JMM slipped a lazy punch... PAC decided to end the night early and posterize himself, by trying to break JMM's hand by throwing himself on a well timed fist of fury..

Ever phony knows PAC wanted to PAC it up and sleep deep.. In slow mo

[WesternChamp]

He more than likely was. he just got KTFO because he dropped his hands when pressing for the KO.

He cheated, didn't do PED testing, refused to fight Floyd, and then got KTFO. That is KARMA!! You understand what the word means now?

HAHAHAHAHA

But he always drop his hands remember but no ko then? Marquez been landing that same right remember? Lol

[WesternChamp]

He more than likely was. he just got KTFO because he dropped his hands when pressing for the KO.

He cheated, didn't do PED testing, refused to fight Floyd, and then got KTFO. That is KARMA!! You understand what the word means now?

HAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, he got knocked out in order to get the floyd fight and made over $100 mil hahaha. Not a bad trade if you asks me. Pac been knocked out before it aint his first rodeo lol.

[djtmal]

Why are you so worried about when they accused him? Who the **** cares. Why don't you worry about WHY PACQUIAO'S TEAM AVOIDED THE FIGHT IN 2010. Only Pacroaches would think that a contract like the following was set up just to "duck a fight by asking for a 14-day cut off for drug testing." Do you know how ****ing idiotic you guys sound?




I've asked Western, I've asked djtmal and I've asked ADP02, not one of you have had the guts to stand up and explain:


WHY DID PACQUAIO NEED MORE THAN A 14 DAY CUT-OFF FOR DRUG TESTING?

OH, AND KEEP IN MIND, ONE OF YOU QUOTED FREDDIE ROACH AS SAYING HE NEEDS 5 DAYS:

ONCE AGAIN, SOMEONE TELL ME WHY PACQUIAO NEEDED MORE THAN A 14-DAY CUT OFF FOR DRUG TESTING.

I'll tell you straight up. I wasn't accusing him of ped use, so I don't really give a **** why he needed more than 14 days. Especially when he didn't have to agree to nothing regarding ost testing in 2009. He said 24 days and explained why, and he stuck to it. Didn't flip flop. Didn't say Floyd had to resign with Arum, or no out of the way bulls**t. That was good enough for me.

That was Floyd's, and every scared Floyd boy's problem. You want to know, ask him your damn self. You don't like my answer, hold these nuts.

[ADP02]

Originally Posted by The Big Dunn View Post

Ok. I can see giving him the 4th. Everyone gave him that round. I don't see how you can give him any other round scoring the fight according to proper scoring criteria.

So you agree with Manny winning Round #4. The problem with your scoring, I presume, is either being bias or you are giving Floyd all rounds that are close even though he does not deserve them.

You say that you cannot see anyone giving Manny any other round but Harold Lederman gave Manny the 2nd round. So that means that one could have scored it 2-2.

If you analyze round 3, that was clearly a Manny round but the Vegas judges didn't give it to Manny. Go check it out for yourself and come back and tell me how Floyd could have won that!

SO YES, the Vegas judges could have had it 3-1 for Manny after 4 rounds but like Juan Marquez said, you cannot beat Floyd on the cards in Vegas!




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Sure, whatever ..... Go read above.

The topic was about the first 4 rounds and whether Manny met the criteria to win more rounds than the Vegas judges gave him.

BIG DUNN: Said that its not possible for someone to have given Manny those rounds.

ADP02: Yes it's possible and I explained that others did and I'm sure that Harold Lederman, a former judge, is basing it on the criteria.

I also analyzed round 3 and determined that the Vegas judges had the wrong guy winning that round.

After 4 rounds, the score cards could have been 3-1 Manny but it is Vegas and Floyd is the hometown guy who gets these types of advantages..


You call others imbecile but I think you should go read your responses and then look in the mirror!!!

You brought up several DEFLECTIONs and now want me to respond to your DEFLECTIONs instead of you responding directly at what the posts were about!!! .... which is who you are as a poster ..... SO YES, YOU DEFLECTED!!!

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You have poor comprehension skills. I pointed out that your logic makes no sense. You DEFLECTED away from that, didn't you.

YOUR POINT IS THAT HAD THE JUDGES SEEN THE FIGHT LIKE LEDERMAN, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE 2nd ROUND FOR PAC. DIDNT YOU SAY THAT?

BUT HAD THEY SEEN THE FIGHT LIKE LEDERMAN, PACQUIAO WOULD HAVE LOST BY A LARGER MARGIN THAN HE DID, YOU ABSOLUTE MORON.

EXPLAIN, BlTCH

.............. NO SIR, You are the one that has poor comprehension skills!!!!!


I even said it to you AGAIN in my previous post that the topic was about the first 4 rounds but you butted in with your DEFLECTIONs!!!!!!

Don't you mean I butted in to prove that your logic is flawed and you are ******ed?

How ****** do you have to be to try to bring up Lederman's scorecard not realizing he had PAC whipped even more than two of the judges.

Idiot

Let me explain this to your dumbass one more time. Try to keep up, mental midget.

THAT'S ****ING ******ED.

You're saying the score could have been 3-1 Pac because Lederman gave round 2 to Pac and YOU gave round 3 to Pac. For obvious reasons that's ****ing hysterical, but let me ignore what makes that hysterical for the time being.

SO ACCORDING TO YOU, IF YOU FIND MULTIPLE UNOFFICIAL JUDGES THAT GAVE MANNY EACH OF THE 12 ROUNDS, YOU THINK THAT MEANS YOU'VE PROVEN A CASE OF MAYWEATHER POSSIBLY LOSING 12-0????

BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.


YEA IT COULD HAVE BEEN 12-0 PAC, IF YOU'RE ****ING ******ED. JUST LIKE IT COULD HAVE BEEN 3-1 PAC AFTER 4, IF YOU'RE ****ING ******ED

YOU ARE ****ING ******ED. AND WHAT'S EVEN MORE ******ED IS THAT ONE OF THESE "UNOFFICIAL JUDGES" THAT YOU'RE INCLUDING IN YOUR ******TY IS....YOU!!!!

The only person that has comprehension (and other problems) is YOU!!!


AGAIN, the topic was about rounds 1 thru 4 and if Manny could have won more than 1 round.

You responded with nonsense!!!




For one, you are basically saying that only an "official" judge can get it right. Not unofficial judging by a former boxing judge nor someone such as myself who has the advantage of video replay!!! or actually, you are deflecting to other rounds that is not part of what was posted!!!! and bringing up stuff that you made up and not relevant.That is more nonsense by YOU!!! "peeleft:
Topic was - Rounds 1-4


Again, BIG DUNN said that based on sound scoring criteria that it was not possible for Manny to have won more than 1 of the first 4 rounds. I disagreed (opinion on BOTH SIDEs) with him and so have others (opinion).

BIG DUNN is going by his observation and so am I and so was the other poster!!!!


According to you, are the other 2 posters also ******ed for discussing this topic?



Before you answer with more DEFLECTIONs here is BIG DUNN's post AGAIN.
He says ""I" can see giving Manny round 4". That is an opinion!!!!!

"I" don't see how "YOU" can give him any other round." That is an opinion!!!!!

Originally Posted by The Big Dunn View Post

Ok. I can see giving him the 4th. Everyone gave him that round. I don't see how you can give him any other round scoring the fight according to proper scoring criteria.

ARE YOU AGREEING WITH BIG DUNN OR NOT???? Stick to what was said instead of your nonsense and your continuous DEFLECTIONs!!!!!!!


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You just wrote all that shlt to deflect from the fact that what you did is ****ING ******ED AND MAKES NO SENSE!

Once again, do you think you can find unofficial judges that scored each of the 12 rounds for PAC, and use that as justification for him possibly winning 12 - 0?

YOU SAID LEDERMAN GAVE PAC ROUND 2 AND YOU GAVE PAC ROUND 3...AND THAT MEANS IT COULD HAVE BEEN 3-1 PAC AFTER 4

Why even bring in Lederman, you big ******? Why not say YOU gave him rounds 1-4 so that means it could have been 4-0 Pac after 4. Do you now understand how ******ed you are? Or course you don't!

Stop ducking, bltch. Let's hear you explain this logic so I can get another good laugh at your expense. You are as dumb as bricks. It's no wonder why I kicked your ass 4-0!!!

DEFLECTOR STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!


ONLY DEFLECTOR (DUCKER) is YOU!!!!


I presented more information that we were discussing rounds 1-4 and giving our OPINIONs .... you know, like what is often the case in these forums.

I used Harold Lederman's scoring of round 2 to prove that someone knowledgeable in scoring rounds did score round 2 for Manny. So this shows that someone DID score more than 1 of the first 4 rounds for Manny. Harold Lederman had it 2-2 ..... So BIG DUNN's post was incorrect and that was the point. I then showed you your mistake ..... so you DEFLECTED.


AGAIN, it's Lederman's opinion based on his experience and what he saw of the first 4 rounds ... but this was brought up by me to show that BIG DUNN's opinion was not accurate!

Round #3, I analyzed and concluded that Manny could have and actually should have won that round. YES, I believe that I am right and those VEGAS judges had it wrong. That is my opinion based on my analysis. If you think that I'm wrong, go prove it with your analysis .....


DEFLECTION by YOU: You then brought up other rounds which is NOT what those posts were about. I said this at least 5 times to you and why!!!! Capsice, understand, comprenez vous, verstehen.....?

Once I explained your mistakes, being that you cannot stand being WRONG nor can you admit this, so you DEFLECTED AGAIN in your post!!!


Simple question that you have not responded to and is relevant to the posts:

Was BIG DUNN's opinion right or wrong?
When analyzing the first 4 rounds, could a judge have had a different score based on sound criteria?



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[djtmal]

Blaming Manny's actions on the offer again. So weak.

You are right, he had the right to refuse and he did. Just admit it and move on.

Too bad though. According to you, western and some other idiot Manny fans, it was this decision that cost him a win against Floyd.

But hey, he kept his pride and got his money so you guys see that as a win. hahaha

firecracker firecracker sis boom bah...dunn is floyd's biggest spin doctor cheerleader, rah rah rah

[djtmal]

you clearly do not know the definition of the word fact.

i know a shameless captain sav-a-floyd cheerleader when i see one...



i noticed after my man put up that vid of floyd crying about how pac put the mitts on cotto, some old veteran captain sav-a-floyds came out the woodwork

[WesternChamp]

It has nothing to do with confidence. It's ****** to make a definitive statement when discussing a hypothetical situation.

If I had posted "cotto would win" you'd follow that by posting "there is no way we'd know".

All we know is Manny didn't fight him at 147 or 146. Had he, the outcome may have been different. We will never know.

Dunn, if cotto was drained then why the rant from floyd?? That video was recorded years after pac vs cotto. If cotto was drained then why is floyd so amazed that manny walked thru cotto? He was drained!! Remember?