Why HBO Sent Top Rank Packing and if Bob isn't careful ESPN will too

[iamboxing]

you have to much time on your hand. come clean my bathroom.

Actually, it was an interesting read. Gives some great insight into Arum's superiority complex. He presumes to know what we want even when he's told point blank. He's an ahole.

[whoelsebutjames]

Actually, it was an interesting read. Gives some great insight into Arum's superiority complex. He presumes to know what we want even when he's told point blank. He's an ahole.

Thank sir I truly appreciate you taking time to read it. I wrote it in a serious manner so thanks for respecting it.

[IMDAZED]

Good post. I think we all know how this Top Rank / ESPN deal is going to end.

So when is Arum going to admit that he isn't getting any licensing fee from ESPN? No matter how much he tries to hide it under the "It's not a time buy" comment?

[rickJen]

Too bad there's no HBO counterpart in the PBC side of things.
SHO Espinoza is way too dependent on Haymon.
You make Lara/Gausha at HBO, you'll be sent packing.
Stevenson would not have had these bums lined up in his resume
and forced to defend his title against legit opponents, instead.
These are just some examples.
In a way PBC was already sent packing by the number
of inactive fighters in their stable.
Too many fighters sitting on the shelves doing nothing.

[whoelsebutjames]

Lol people play so many games on this forum. They quote you and then block you so you can't respond. So it looks like their dominating on their own thread aka soul survivor. I don't play those games. All can speak freely.

You forgot to mention all the GGG and Ward mismatches HBO payed for. They just paid for a Cotto mismatch as well, along with some of Canelo's. Only reason HBO is allowed to show good 50-50 fights like this week is because they aren't paying those fighters a lot of money. They are probably spending around 2 million for the whole card, with Gonzalez making the most at around 500k. The only exciting fights have been from fighters that don't demand a big purse. You will never get a 50-50 fight from 2 top names on regular HBO. Showtime/PBC has had good matchups between two top names on regular cable, HBO would have never been able to put those fights on.

1. Good point. I agree with you with Ward and don't know how his Roc nation deal ain't a bust out yet. Just because I like him I still remain impartial to facts
2. Your right nobody gets paid to fight bums. My point was mainly that Top Rank uses public pressure to make people who are worth more fight for pennies. If they don't agree they say they're ducking.

It's a clever reverse engineering. They are actually ducking by trying to hose these fighters or lowball them out the conversation.

When Top Rank needs an opponent. They pay very well. I illustrate from a few perspectives not just Top Rank.

Golovkin 2 mil vs leimix 1.5 mil decent near even
Golovkin 1.5 mil vs Monroe 100k 94/06
Golovkin 5 mil vs Kell brook 4 mil near even
Golovkin 2 mil vs Dominic Wade 500k 75/25

Gonzalez 250k vs Villoria 150k 60/40
Gonzalez 200k vs Edgar Sosa 50k 75/25

Now when Lomanchenko needed fights to prove himeself the deals were fair.

Lomanchenko 175k(215k with fine)vs Salido 250k
By arums standards, Salido should of hosed him for a title shot as Loma was completely unproven. Salido gets almost no credit for beating him- so it didnt pay off. This fight wasn't going to make Salido somebody-- as his rep is already solidified. .

Lomanchenko 632k vs Russel 420k. 66/44
Now that Lomachenko is the "man" -/ let's see
Lomanchenko 1 mil vs Walters 300k. 70/30

*this is bad as Walters is Arums fighter, Arum publically lambsted him for not taking the fight earlier. Walters PAYS Arum to promote him not damage his image-- thats one conflict of interest. There's others such what if his promotional percentage of the purse is higher on Loma end then Walters? Who knows. Walters added a hell of creditbity to Lomas record

So, looking at this. It sounds funny that Arum said Rigo wanted 3 million dollars to fight and now "suddenly" they're able to make agreement. People have a false logic that if your not a super draw you get hosed. Bob taught them that but-----It's not true. The a side determines the magnitude of the fight. The Bside gets a proportion of this-even if he's not a draw himself--based off the credibility the A side will earn for winning.g

For instance
Donaire 1.3 mil vs Rigondeaux 750k 56/44
* both Top Rank at the time
See what I mean.

Thanks for your input. good input and critiscm is healthy. Wish more responded like you.

Good post. I think we all know how this Top Rank / ESPN deal is going to end.

So when is Arum going to admit that he isn't getting any licensing fee from ESPN? No matter how much he tries to hide it under the "It's not a time buy" comment?

Hmmm I'll keep my eye open for this.....

Too bad there's no HBO counterpart in the PBC side of things.
SHO Espinoza is way too dependent on Haymon.
You make Lara/Gausha at HBO, you'll be sent packing.
Stevenson would not have had these bums lined up in his resume
and forced to defend his title against legit opponents, instead.
These are just some examples.
In a way PBC was already sent packing by the number
of inactive fighters in their stable.
Too many fighters sitting on the shelves doing nothing.

I'm not making excuses for PBC. There's already been alltnof articles on the subject. Unless, I was going to say something new there' would be no point. If I look deeper and find something of note I'll post it if people are interested.

[whoelsebutjames]

you have to much time on your hand. come clean my bathroom.

Let's go tramp.

[Jsmooth9876]

TR saw some money and an opportunity to air their stars against bums like they enjoy doing. HBO said good luck with that, we will just keep raking in the money making Game Of Thrones and other original content.
Showtime jumped in with both feet and they're still getting **** ratings. Boxing is not picking up any more fans, it's a niche sport at this point.

[Mitchell Kane]

Between 2012 and 2015, game of thrones cost about 6million and episode to make. In 2014, Thrones averaged 14.4 million viewers. That's about a million dollars spent every 2.4 million viewers

Trueblood reportedly cost about 3 million an episode and had about 7 million viewerss. That's about a millions dollars spent every 2.3 million viewers. Plus they can peddle DVDs and iTunes rentals/downloads of tv shows. Nobody buys old fights.

Game of Thrones is a huge success story.

On the other hand, there's Vinyl....

http://www.vulture.com/2016/02/hbo-vinyl-premiere-low-ratings.html

HBO’s heavily hyped big-budget Martin Scorsese drama Vinyl could use some payola right about now: Ratings for Sunday’s two-hour opening episode were shockingly low. Per Nielsen, a mere 764,000 viewers caught the 9 p.m. premiere, one of the smallest audiences ever for the first installment of an HBO drama in recent years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/b...l.html?mcubz=3

Its two-hour debut episode drew a lackluster 1.1 million viewers, according to Nielsen data measuring live viewing and three days of delayed viewing.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/vinyl-canceled-at-hbo-905537

The two-hour Vinyl opener is said to have cost about $30 million and the first season $100 million.

[GhostofDempsey]

You're almost as bad as Mirko Troll Cop with his daily GGG bashing threads, only it's Arum that has ruined your life instead.

PBC has about 180 fighters in their line-up, give or take. Between now and the end of October there fights are:

Benavidez vs. Gavril on SHO tonight.

Barrios vs. Nelson on FOX Tues.

Barthelemy vs. Ramirez Sep 26th on Fox.

Santa Cruz vs. Avalos and Mares vs. Gutierrez Oct 14th on Fox

Lara vs. Gausha, Charlo vs. Lubin, and Hurd vs. Trout on Oct 14th on SHO.

Even Charlo doesn't know why he is fighting Lubin, LOL.

So there you have it, some real barn-burners in the works for PBC/SHO. Can't wait to see what's in store for Nov/Dec and early 2018. LMAO!

[JuniorTorres720]

Insightful post

In my opinion I believe the boxing fan is starting to make their voice heard by not paying for these mismatches. It's somewhat of a boycott. You can continue the charade of glamoured up mismatches until fans start to take notice that they're not competitive fights. That's the problem. Fans are starting to demand real fights and have grown tired of mismatches.Boxing is a business, I agree and believe fighters deserve great purses for putting their lives on the line. But at the same time boxing will always be a sport and that's why people watch. They want to see the best fighting the best. 2017 has been a great year for boxing and it's going to culminate in fashion with the Super Flyweight tripleheader and Canelo/GGG. I hope next year is just as good.