Sergio Martinez would of whooped Floyd mayweather

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Lol "prime" Martinez.

Prime Martinez is too defensively careless for Canelo.

Look who knocked down "prime" Martinez:

Williams
Pavlik
Macklin
Chavez Jr (almost killed Martinez in round 12)
Murray (twice) - Murray actually beat him on my scores

If you think Canelo would not have absolutely obliterate Martinez, you must have amnesia about how bad Martinez defense really was.

he was not prime against murray. the knee issues were clearly a problem. all those other guys he went on to win the fights(williams robbery) and beat them up so there are 2 sides to boxing that you arent paying attention to. both guys are allowed to hit each other you know. the way canelo fought so cautiously against trout leads me to believe martinez would take him while maybe getting knocked down along the way. in all those knockdowns he was never really hurt. even the chavez one it was more of knee injury then his head being effected. canelo would get the decision still no doubt but in reality he would lose like ward lost to kovalev and other robberies

[JK1700]

"Waits for Andre Ward would beat Mayweather thread".

TS you are really clutching at straws here. Martinez struggled with B- level guys and you think he's beating the A+ and best of this era? Martinez was very good don't get me wrong but he was fundamentally flawed and wasn't a big MW plus he only fought one way. Put him in there with Floyd in 2012 instead of Cotto and he gets beat just as bad maybe even worse. Floyd was/is just on another level. Like him or not. It's just the truth.

[-Kev-]

he was not prime against murray. the knee issues were clearly a problem. all those other guys he went on to win the fights(williams robbery) and beat them up so there are 2 sides to boxing that you arent paying attention to. both guys are allowed to hit each other you know. the way canelo fought so cautiously against trout leads me to believe martinez would take him while maybe getting knocked down along the way. in all those knockdowns he was never really hurt. even the chavez one it was more of knee injury then his head being effected. canelo would get the decision still no doubt but in reality he would lose like ward lost to kovalev and other robberies

Going life and death with Macklin and barely escaping the 12th round vs a **** fighter like Chavez Jr isn't "two sides of boxing" in the case of Martinez vs Mayweather, there's only one thing to deduce, and that is that Martinez would've looked like amateur vs Floyd. Look at him vs Barker, he was absolutely lost with that jab and high guard. And 437 punches thrown vs Macklin in 11 rounds??? Lollll. If Macklin's movement and defense was too much you can't be serious in thinking that Floyd won't do even better than Macklin.

[KillaMane26]

Martinez would have beat Floyd...but no sweat he wasn't obligated to move up and fight him

[RomanReigns]

At 147 and 154 Floyd schools him. He was very overrated because he beat a careless Paul Williams. Current GGG and Canelo are both better than him.

[Johnny2x2x]

Martinez was def past it when he fought Murray. And all those knockdowns with the exception of the Chavez one were cuz of his balance. Tbh I would barely call them knockdowns. Williams hit Martinez on his shoulder as he was moving and Martinez slipped and was a knocked down. Martinez tripped over Macklins feet and was considered a knock down. And pavlik tapped Martinez on the head as Martinez was in an awkward position. Martinez was never hurt by them. His defense was his footwork and Canelo struggles GREATLY with guys who move. Combine that with the power speed and stamina of Martinez and it does not look good for canelo.

When was his prime then? 6 months long? Martinez had a few good wins vs stationary middle weights. And now he's ever beating Floyd? People are getting desperate. Might as well start talking about Hagler va Mayweather at 160.

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It doesn't matter if Martinez throws a lot of punches against other opponents, the work rate wouldn't stay the same vs Floyd, he'd bring it down because that's what Floyd does, he brings down the pace of his opponents to his own.

The Martinez opponents with the most solid defense was Martin Murray and Matthew Macklin. Martinez threw 591 punches against Murray and 437 vs Macklin (in 11 rounds), this wasn't Martinez getting old, this was Martinez vs someone with good defense. In comparison Martinez threw 908 vs Chavez Jr, 691 vs Barker (11 rounds), and 686 vs Pavlik.

If Macklin lowered Martinez down to 437 punches thrown in 11 rounds, what do you think Mayweather would do?

bringing down the pace doesnt mean hes automatically winning. dont get suckered into the same self fulfilling prophecy you always fall into. he brought the pace down vs judah and pac and yet they still found ways to land that left over and over. he would be forced to come forward against a great mover and thats not his game. remember judah was schooling him till floyd did that. martinez is on a whole different level than judah. he never did that against pac because pac was countering him with the left over and over so he sat back and hoped for a decision by throwing out a bunch of stay away from my punches while pac landed the most telling shots. he was not unbeatable. he avoided guys like stevie johnston for a reason. castillo sure he will fight him. slow plodder. johnston......pass. canelo a strict counterpuncher sure ill fight him. martinez....pass. baldomir sure. margarito no. guerrero sure. pac no.

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Going life and death with Macklin and barely escaping the 12th round vs a **** fighter like Chavez Jr isn't "two sides of boxing" in the case of Martinez vs Mayweather, there's only one thing to deduce, and that is that Martinez would've looked like amateur vs Floyd. Look at him vs Barker, he was absolutely lost with that jab and high guard. And 437 punches thrown vs Macklin in 11 rounds??? Lollll. If Macklin's movement and defense was too much you can't be serious in thinking that Floyd won't do even better than Macklin.

theres literally no way you cant be biased when talking about floyd and it effects every single thing. when i say things like judah and pac were catching him. its because its relevant. great straight left hands give him problems. martinez has a great left hand. but he also has the movement and size to make floyd reach and commit if he wants to hit him. you dont see floyd sitting in the pocket and slipping punches against judah and pac the way he did against canelo. its because they have completely different styles. i dont make vague statements like floyd has good defense and macklin doesnt therefore floyd wins. your breakdowns of the fights arent even accurate and are comically slanted to make martinez look worse than what actually happened.

he did not go life and death with macklin. macklin won a couple rounds. how was he too much for him? he won the fight by ko. so silly.

he was not lost against barker. barker won a couple rounds. if you actually watched and understood what you were watching you would see that martinez usually took a stretch of 2-3 rounds off in the middle of the fights. so if martinez took 2-3 rounds off against floyd that makes floyd the automatic winner? or if floyd does better than macklin he auto wins? what low standards. did floyd have the skills to keep up with martinez? i think not.

[LADIV]

Prime Martinez drew with Kermit Cintron at 154, yeah, that guys not hanging with Floyd at any point, period.

How many good wins did he have in his career? 4? Maybe 5?

Not a big puncher, but a boxer and he's going to beat Mayweather? Not a chance!

hey 2x time for you to go to sleep...you need to watch that fight again..you mean martinez got robbed of a win

[JK1700]

When was his prime then? 6 months long? Martinez had a few good wins vs stationary middle weights. And now he's ever beating Floyd? People are getting desperate. Might as well start talking about Hagler va Mayweather at 160.

Next thread will be "Andre Ward would've beat Mayweather". That's how great he is you need to find guys 2 weight classes higher just for people to think he might've lost and even then most people have him winning. Please, it's just ridiculous and needs to stop.