Sergio Martinez would of whooped Floyd mayweather

[Doctor_Tenma]

Serg 2007-2112 would have given Floyd a run for his money..

Look at what zab did the first few rounds and then faded. Serg wouldn't have faded and is bigger and better than zab..

Out of all the fantasy opponents for Floyd, prime serg is one of the few guys I say could beat Floyd

I understand Martinez is the superior fighter but Zab Judah has elements that are more superior, he had the considerably faster hands and a lethal counter left uppercut one can't sleep on. Not trying to shit on Martinez' resume but he was running through a lot of fighters who didn't have any footwork and when he finally faced someone that did, he was done, that was Cotto of course.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Martinez is not solely content with moving, he'll mix it up in the pocket, he isn't trying to hit you with the end of his punches like say Trout. The way some here are describing him, you'd think it was Lara they were talking about.

We're talking about a guy who prioritizes trying to get his opponents out of there and with a little more gas in the tank I'd say he would have stopped Pavlik as well. This is how he ended Dzinriruk, Barker and Macklin. While it worked out for him there, at the same time this is what makes Martinez more susceptible to counters and why I would have favored Canelo to beat him.

[ADP02]

Nope!


There is a difference as Sergio Martinez told you!

There is a difference as Paul Williams told you!


P Williams said that Floyd has the same freaking promoter as Williams. Floyd DUCKED!!!


NOT THE SAME!!! Floyd's own words, "Sergio go fight Dirrell at 168"


First of all, fight night weights are unofficial .... but lets move past that for the kicks.
Rehydration does not make you automatically become a fighter in a given division. If that were the case then Terence Crawford is a middleweight fighter. Canelo is a light heavy weight fighter. It doesn't work that way! Sergio Martinez knows that. Travestyny does NOT!



Make it easier for you to understand:
Michael Katsidis had a Lightweight fight where he too came in at 150 on fight night. So you are saying that he too should have fought Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez!!!

BUT lets make it even clearer for you:
While training for his Margarito fight, Manny stated that he will not go over 147 ever again and he never did! Floyd went up to 154 3 times and held the title 3 times. Floyd did it BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the call out from P. Williams and Sergio Martinez!!!

AGAIN, NOT THE SAME!!!


Finally, whenever these opponents or whoever approach Manny they always say the same. Manny looks much smaller than expected!
With some exceptions (rookie McGregor), most of his fights you do not get that same type of discussion with Floyd .... Often you hear this "Floyd looks as big as Mosley"

BUT its not only that (weight), as you keep on mixing up. Floyd has height and reach advantages over someone like Manny and as you saw fought 3 times at 154. Someone like Sergio Martinez knows this but Travestyny just looks at fight night weight!


Travestyny, so Katsidis ducked Martinez too?
Michael Katsidis vs Sergio Martinez!

or Maybe Ricky Hatton(158 vs Collazo) vs GGG.




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Jesus Christ. You are an absolute moron, you know that?


Mayweather and Pacquaio were both fighting at 147. They both rehydrated to 150.

You are saying Mayweahter should fight Martinez, but little itty bitty Pacquaio can't handle it. LMAOOOO.

Thank you for exposing your boy as a bltch.

And by the way, no they didn't say the same thing.

A. Paul Williams admit that Mayweather never ducked him.
B. Paul Williams was reportedly furious that Pacquaio ducked him for Margarito.
C. Sergio Martinez said Mayweather might fight him, but Pacquaio won't.



The point, you absolute idiot, is that Manny Pacquiao is about the same damn weight as Floyd, you idiot. They were the same at 16, and they were the same at the end of their careers. Pacquaio even WEIGHED MORE than Mayweather during their fight! Why don't you embarrass yourself and your idol by pointing out again how they wanted to squeeze him back down to 140 to give that illusion that he still has power. Remember that? They wanted him at 140 so he can knock out smaller guys. Didn't you post that? Huh????

PLUS YOU KEEP DUCKING MANNY SAYING HE DRAINS FIGHTERS FOR AN ADVANTAGE You are pathetic, just like your idol.

You want more, or are you ready to beg me for a draw again?

Manny went down to about 143 against Algieri and has stated that he can make 140, no problem. Floyd didn't make a CW against Marquez that was higher than that!!!

Man, I just read your post again and you even freaking bring up that Manny can make 140!!!
TOO FUNNY!!! Yup, Manny fought Ricky Hatton where Hatton was KING, at 140. Floyd had Hatton come up to 147 where Hatton struggled at!!! Hatton came in at 158 against Collazo BUT his BEST DIVISION was at 140!!!! Man, you will never get it!!!



Why do you deflect instead of reading my post and responding to my points?????????

Floyd fought at 154 and had titles at 154 and this was ==>>> BEFORE, DURING and AFTER he was called out by Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams.
Manny fought once at 151 and DURING his training camp he said that he would NEVER go above 147 for his fights and NEVER DID!!!


So Floyd was able to fight at 154, so why did he DUCK Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams?

Paul Williams said that they had the same promoter/advisor and all Floyd had to do is call Haymon and it was a done deal! DUCK!!!


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[ADP02]

I understand Martinez is the superior fighter but Zab Judah has elements that are more superior, he had the considerably faster hands and a lethal counter left uppercut one can't sleep on. Not trying to shit on Martinez' resume but he was running through a lot of fighters who didn't have any footwork and when he finally faced someone that did, he was done, that was Cotto of course.

Sergio vs Cotto?
Man Floyd fans are pathetic!!! Sergio shouldn't have even fought due to his knee issues!


Elements? What about this important element?
Zab Judah was an inconsistent mental midget who struggled with most of his competitive fights at 147!!! He lost to Baldomir, Clottey, Floyd, Cotto, Paul Malignaggi and Spinks at 147. YIKES!!!


Judah lost also to several others such as Khan, Garcia, .... and of course, Kostya Tszyu.



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[Goldie]

It's clear that if they ever fought at 154, Martinez would of outboxed and maybe KOd Floyd. And Sergio Martinez was calling him out too but mayweather wanted no part of him. Martinez was bigger, longer reach, hit harder, and had probably the best stamina at his prime. His footwork, jab and counters would of kept Floyd from doing much of anything.

I suspect that there's not a more pathetic group on earth than Floyd-haters. You people are downright pathetic lol. You just don't know when to quit.

[travestyny]

Manny went down to about 143 against Algieri and has stated that he can make 140, no problem. Floyd didn't make a CW against Marquez that was higher than that!!!

Man, I just read your post again and you even freaking bring up that Manny can make 140!!!
TOO FUNNY!!! Yup, Manny fought Ricky Hatton where Hatton was KING, at 140. Floyd had Hatton come up to 147 where Hatton struggled at!!! Hatton came in at 158 against Collazo BUT his BEST DIVISION was at 140!!!! Man, you will never get it!!!



Why do you deflect instead of reading my post and responding to my points?????????

Floyd fought at 154 and had titles at 154 and this was ==>>> BEFORE, DURING and AFTER he was called out by Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams.
Manny fought once at 151 and DURING his training camp he said that he would NEVER go above 147 for his fights and NEVER DID!!!


So Floyd was able to fight at 154, so why did he DUCK Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams?

Paul Williams said that they had the same promoter/advisor and all Floyd had to do is call Haymon and it was a done deal! DUCK!!!


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Stop making excuses for your coward a$$ lord and savior. Did you forget that he rehydrates to 150? Did you forget that he weighed more than Mayweather for their fight? The truth of the matter is he is not a 140lb fighter as much as you want to pretend he is. His natural weight is in the 150's and he is for sure a 147lb fighter. Just because he wants to melt down to 140 to try to get some knockouts doesn't mean he is a natural 140lb fighter. He is clearly a 147lb fighter, just like Floyd. Neither one is a 154lb fighter. Yet you want to criticize Floyd because he fought Hoya, McGregor, and Canelo above 147, your boy fought Margarito and decided he can't handle it.

Then why the **** did he say he would fight Martinez at 150? You and Bob Arum are both a bunch of bltches making excuses. If Floyd is expected to fight these bigger fighters, then criticize Manny as well for ducking. Hell, PWill wanted to fight him at 147 and Pacquiao ducked it. Oh, but that was about height, right? Get the **** out of here.

And BOTH SERGIO AND PWILL COMPLAINED ABOUT PACQUIAO DUCKING THEM. SO EVERY TIME YOU BRING UP EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY, WHY ARE YOU IGNORING WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT PACQUIAO? OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WAS DIFFERENT THO.

The truth is Manny woudn't fight Hoya above 147. He woudn't even fight Cotto above 147. Yet he is the same damn weight as Floyd. That is a FACT! If you look at their rehydration weights and the weights for their fight, you know it's a fact. His whole schtick is trying to find advantages based on weight. He says as much, but you ducked and deflected from that post twice.

Stop with your ****** ass deflections and confess that your bltch a$s idol is a fraud.

SO...news flash:

1. PWill went on record saying Floyd never ducked him. Oh....you ducked and deflected that, didn't you???

2. If you want to say he ducked Sergio, then say Pac ducked him too. Right or wrong? Pac went on record saying he will fight him at 150, but his bltch ass team saved him the same way that they saved him from fighting Floyd in their primes. Because they knew he would get that ass beat and that hype would be GONE.

3. If you want to say he ducked PWill, then say Pac ducked him too. THIS WAS AT 147 SO YOU HAVE NO ****ING EXCUSE. So what is it, ADP02? Did he duck PWill? Let's see if you answer or DEFLECT!


The truth of the matter is neither one of these guys belonged at 154. You're just too much of a butthurt bltch to admit it.

[Uppercuts]

its funny seeing all the martinez fanboys making excuses for him for the cotto fight when they were talking alot of **** before the fight and martinez himself did not use the knees as an excuse before or after the fight

My knees are feeling great. I have been running in the mornings on the treadmill. It has been a great camp and I am feeling great and haven't felt this good in a long time,"

"Right now I am just the same as when there were no knee problems. I have overcome all obstacles.

Martinez has insisted that his knee was not an issue against Cotto.

Can't post links but just google "healthy martinez ready for cotto espn" and "sergio martinez will continue to fight espn". In the 2nd article his manager says it was the left hook in the first round that screwed him over and not his knees. And once again in that article martinez says his knee wasn't an issue

It's disrespectful to a fighter to make excuses for him when he himself is saying there was no problems

[ADP02]

Stop making excuses for your coward a$$ lord and savior. Did you forget that he rehydrates to 150? Did you forget that he weighed more than Mayweather for their fight? The truth of the matter is he is not a 140lb fighter as much as you want to pretend he is. His natural weight is in the 150's and he is for sure a 147lb fighter. Just because he wants to melt down to 140 to try to get some knockouts doesn't mean he is a natural 140lb fighter. He is clearly a 147lb fighter, just like Floyd. Neither one is a 154lb fighter. Yet you want to criticize Floyd because he fought Hoya, McGregor, and Canelo above 147, your boy fought Margarito and decided he can't handle it.

Then why the **** did he say he would fight Martinez at 150? You and Bob Arum are both a bunch of bltches making excuses. If Floyd is expected to fight these bigger fighters, then criticize Manny as well for ducking. Hell, PWill wanted to fight him at 147 and Pacquiao ducked it. Oh, but that was about height, right? Get the **** out of here.

And BOTH SERGIO AND PWILL COMPLAINED ABOUT PACQUIAO DUCKING THEM. SO EVERY TIME YOU BRING UP EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY, WHY ARE YOU IGNORING WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT PACQUIAO? OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WAS DIFFERENT THO.

The truth is Manny woudn't fight Hoya above 147. He woudn't even fight Cotto above 147. Yet he is the same damn weight as Floyd. That is a FACT! If you look at their rehydration weights and the weights for their fight, you know it's a fact. His whole schtick is trying to find advantages based on weight. He says as much, but you ducked and deflected from that post twice.

Stop with your ****** ass deflections and confess that your bltch a$s idol is a fraud.

SO...news flash:

1. PWill went on record saying Floyd never ducked him. Oh....you ducked and deflected that, didn't you???

2. If you want to say he ducked Sergio, then say Pac ducked him too. Right or wrong? Pac went on record saying he will fight him at 150, but his bltch ass team saved him the same way that they saved him from fighting Floyd in their primes. Because they knew he would get that ass beat and that hype would be GONE.

3. If you want to say he ducked PWill, then say Pac ducked him too. THIS WAS AT 147 SO YOU HAVE NO ****ING EXCUSE. So what is it, ADP02? Did he duck PWill? Let's see if you answer or DEFLECT!


The truth of the matter is neither one of these guys belonged at 154. You're just too much of a butthurt bltch to admit it.

1. News Flash? Paul Williams called out Floyd!!!
Paul Williams, the fighter, called Floyd a vagina! Said that all Floyd had to do was talk to their advisor and the fight is made!!!
Retired Williams that has no fight in him left took the politically correct approach .... but the above words were said by Williams, the fighter and everyone is aware of the truth!!! Sorry!


2. Nope, as I said, Floyd fought at 154 BEFORE, DURING and AFTER he was called out by Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams. Manny fought once at 151 and during his training camp said that's it, he cannot go up anymore than 147. Again, he said that he will never go above 147. Come on, even a DEFLECTOR like you should get it!!!


3. You Floyd fans said for years that the Manny fight didn't happen because of TR and Arum. Floyd and P Williams had the same advisor (Al Haymon) and P Williams called Floyd out, big time!!!
Arum went instead with another big dude that Floyd DUCKED named Margarito and who is a TR fighter!!!!
BUT as I said already 5 times, Manny was interviewed and said that he is no longer moving up above 147!!! Capisce? Entiende? Understand? Verstehen? Понимаю? Comprenez vous?



You cannot make those dumb excuses of yours to try and protect your hero! Floyd fought and got titles 3 times at 154!!!!



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[Elroy The Great]

1. News Flash? Paul Williams called out Floyd!!!
Paul Williams, the fighter, called Floyd a vagina! Said that all Floyd had to do was talk to their advisor and the fight is made!!!
Retired Williams that has no fight in him left took the politically correct approach .... but the above words were said by Williams, the fighter and everyone is aware of the truth!!! Sorry!


2. Nope, as I said, Floyd fought at 154 BEFORE, DURING and AFTER he was called out by Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams. Manny fought once at 151 and during his training camp said that's it, he cannot go up anymore than 147. Again, he said that he will never go above 147. Come on, even a DEFLECTOR like you should get it!!!


3. You Floyd fans said for years that the Manny fight didn't happen because of TR and Arum. Floyd and P Williams had the same advisor (Al Haymon) and P Williams called Floyd out, big time!!!
Arum went instead with another big dude that Floyd DUCKED named Margarito and who is a TR fighter!!!!
BUT as I said already 5 times, Manny was interviewed and said that he is no longer moving up above 147!!! Capisce? Entiende? Understand? Verstehen? Понимаю? Comprenez vous?



You cannot make those dumb excuses of yours to try and protect your hero! Floyd fought and got titles 3 times at 154!!!!



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slow, predictable caveman margacheato (5'11'' 73'')
gave paul fits.

may (5'8'' 72'') would have done better than margacheato.

dont give me the ''triangular theories dont work'' crap.

''but, but, why couldnt vernon beat caveman mayorga ?''

''why did pac, ssm, cotto beat margarito (and may beat pac, ssm, cotto) ?''

in a couple of isolated triangular fights do the matches not make sense (ali/frazier/foreman, hagler/hearns/srl/duran).

paul is given credit for being a lanky guy who doesnt stop throwing punches. too bad for him he wasnt the hardest guy to hit. equally bad for paul was he often smothered his own punches with his clumsy game plan. he never learned (porter is on the same road).

may would have found a way of beating paul, imho.

[travestyny]

1. News Flash? Paul Williams called out Floyd!!!
Paul Williams, the fighter, called Floyd a vagina! Said that all Floyd had to do was talk to their advisor and the fight is made!!!
Retired Williams that has no fight in him left took the politically correct approach .... but the above words were said by Williams, the fighter and everyone is aware of the truth!!! Sorry!

You're a liar and a scumbag. Williams didn't call Floyd a vagina. He said, "He won't fight me because I don't have a vagina." That could be a dig at domestic issues, but what we do know is that Paul Williams, like I said, stated very clearly that Floyd did NOT duck him. Who the **** are you to say that he's giving a political answer. Now you're in his head and are able to read his mind for your own bltch a$$ agenda? This is a man who was paralyzed and told everyone in the world not to be sad for him and that he doesn't feel bad for himself. Maybe you think that's a political answer and he's crying himself to bed at night, and publicly trying to be nice to everyone about everything instead of being honest? You are NOT allowed to tell people what the **** they are thinking, ****head. If there is anything that he deserves is the right for his word to be taken at face value. Of course he wanted a fight with Floyd at that time. Who didn't? He realized later that the time wasn't right.

2. Nope, as I said, Floyd fought at 154 BEFORE, DURING and AFTER he was called out by Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams.

Manny fought once at 151 and during his training camp said that's it, he cannot go up anymore than 147. Again, he said that he will never go above 147. Come on, even a DEFLECTOR like you should get it!!!

Liar. Check below, and then let's watch you DEFLECT you little bltch.

3. You Floyd fans said for years that the Manny fight didn't happen because of TR and Arum. Floyd and P Williams had the same advisor (Al Haymon) and P Williams called Floyd out, big time!!!

Williams called out Pacquiao too, ****less. Why are you deflecting from that?

Arum went instead with another big dude that Floyd DUCKED named Margarito and who is a TR fighter!!!!

Floyd ducked Margarito? Also proven false, ****head. He bought out his contract instead because for one he wasn't ready to fight at the time of it and the buyout clause was to expire before he was ready to fight. Arum stated clearly that he refused raising the guarantees in the contract, but yea, you don't care about facts, do you?

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

BUT as I said already 5 times, Manny was interviewed and said that he is no longer moving up above 147!!! Capisce? Entiende? Understand? Verstehen? Понимаю? Comprenez vous?
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Oh really? Liar. He was interviewed and said he would fight Martinez at 150 until his team told him to sit down and shut his dumb ass up!



That was after the Margarito fight. Here is Sergio agreeing to it.

"I am willing to go down to the 150-pounds to face Manny Pacquiao. It does not depend only on me. We will see what happens, if his team and [Top Rank CEO] Bob Arum accept [the fight]. Because it's one thing is to fight Antonio Margarito at 150, and another thing to face me at 150," said Martinez during an interview with BoxingScene.com's Carlos Irusta.

"It would be below the junior middleweight limit of 154 lbs [69.850 kg.]. 150-pounds is 68 kilos. It's an incredible effort for my body. I walk around at 78 or 79 kilos, with a maximum of 3.2% body fat. I have very little body fat and I'm very muscular.To go down to that weight can be fatal for my health. But it can be done. With enough time, I think it's possible to do. What's better than saying, 'we'll fight you anywhere you want, the date you want and the weight you want.'

"He always said 150, and I respect his position, because he is a little fighter even at 150. But it's going to play to his advantage because I'll be almost ten kilos lighter in my body. "

Like I said, you little bltch. It was his team protecting him. Just like they protected him by saying he's afraid of needles. Manny was nothing but a pawn with Arum pulling the strings, so you've basically been sucking Arum's ass believing everything he says and buying into the myth of Manny.

How does it feel to be proven wrong yet again, chump?