Where do you rate Floyd in ATG p4p list?

[DJ Enerate]

Yeah, this is the 100th thread on this topic.

I'll say top 30-50. Which is very, very high.

There have been a lot of great boxers. Floyd is great, too. But he doesn't have wins against great opponents in their prime like some guys do.

In terms of wins it's hard to rank Floyd greater than the likes of Barney Ross who sits around 15, or over say a Jimmy McLarnin or Tony Canzoneri who both sit just outside the top 20. I think McLarnin is only behind Greb in terms of beating multiple hof fighters with 11 on his resume. Historians don't overlook the fact Mclarnin beat Villa when he was shot and Labarba was apparently green so there's holes to be picked in some of those 11 wins. Toni Canzoneri has like 9 hof fighters on his resume. Floyd's resume is worthy of being in the 25 to 30 range which is an incredible achievement considering how historical the sport is.

[MurkaMan]

skills wise hes #1 to me.. meaning if i had a son that got into boxing i would want him to master floyds style. the greatest defense ever, the most accurate, the sharpest boxing IQ..etc.. but accomplishment wise sugar ray robinson is #1. he was fighter of the decade twice. thats crazy.

SRR faced a bunch of bums. He fought in an era, where boxing was a trade. He hasnt fought one guy that would test Floyd or Pac.

His consistency is similar to Floyd's, but resume is trash, and Floyd is passed him by a few lightyears.

[DJ Enerate]

SRR faced a bunch of bums. He fought in an era, where boxing was a trade. He hasnt fought one guy that would test Floyd or Pac.

His consistency is similar to Floyd's, but resume is trash, and Floyd is passed him by a few lightyears.

These are the 10 hall of fame boxers Robinson fought.

Armstrong, Lamotta, Fullmer, Kid Gavilan, Basilio, Graziano, Zivic,Turpin, Angott, Olson

So you believe none of those 10 would test Floyd or Pac ? That's ridiculous lol.

Floyd and Pac wouldn't know what the **** hit them vs a prime Armstrong. And I'd have prime Gavilan over both too. Gavilan was a tremendous fighter with an iron jaw. Zivic would also test both Floyd and Pac I have no doubt about that.

[hugh grant]

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=757629

Pretty good discussion here that didn't devolve into a hand full of his haters reinventing history.

Consensus seems to be top 10 for sure. Top 5 maybe.

For me he's tied with SRR at the top. My whole reason for judging him the way I do is that I do not hold him to a different standard than any other fighter and because of that he's at the top for fighting all the key guys near his weight from his era and beating them all, as well as going 50-0 with really only 2 close fights. Only having 2 close fights is his biggest achievement IMO. I don't think people realize how hard it is not to run into the wrong match up when you start fighting champions like Mayweather did so soon in his career.

Don't be ridiculous level with srr! Floyd a boxer who's renowned around world who tried get things in his favour how can he be equal to srr with only 50 fights?
Why is making top 20 a bad thing? Why be greedy?

[BoxingTrav]

Floyd is the best fighter I have ever seen. I've been watching boxing since I 1986. I didn't live through SRR, Armstrong, Ali etc. I can only comment on what I have seen. And he is by far and away the best.

[Larry the boss]

Don't be ridiculous level with srr! Floyd a boxer who's renowned around world who tried get things in his favour how can he be equal to srr with only 50 fights?
Why is making top 20 a bad thing? Why be greedy?

Robinson was known to do the same

[Luilun]

Probably best 130 ever ,135 Duran Tops him Duran did something Mayweather would have never been able to do or would be afraid to do Beat Sugar Ray Leonard and Iran Barkley and face prime Tommy Hearns and Marvin Haggler . May weather I would probably put him on the top 20 P4P list probably between 10 to 15 ranking

[hugh grant]

Robinson was known to do the same

Floyd 97% of time tried to get things in his favour with why should I give advantages type attitude? He kept his unbeaten record with his approach, mission accomplished. But how does that then translate to being greater than srr?
How exactly do you get as great as you want to be with that approach? With only 50 fights!

[HandsofIron]

Probably any where from top 15-25.

[turnedup]

Time will view his achievements very favorably IMO. Right now his resume is held to a higher standard than any fighter in history. If we took a razor to SRR's and SRL's resumes we find ***** too. Time will allow him to be judged to the same standard as any other top fighter.

There is a lot that goes into ranking all time greats, Floyd, Manny, and Cotto can arguably say they fought their entire careers on an more or so even playing field. It's virtually impossible to make that claim for anyone even a generation before them. The way doping has existed in the sport and all sorts of shh who knows what a SRL and SRR actually were up against in the ring. The game is much more linear now than it's ever been. It wouldn't surprise me if a fighter or two has taken a dive in the past five years, but by comparison to the mafia era of the sport..not even close. In some ways its why the ranking system itself kind of makes no sense because each generation had it just a bit easier than the last and in some cases harder than the last. The only great that I cannot argue against is the guy in my avatar for the obvious reason he broke a barrier and he faced being murdered everytime he went anywhere.