Comments Thread For: Loeffler: Canelo vs. Golovkin Winner is Best Fighter in The World

[HURTFEELINGS]

Ward won his first belt against Kessler in a fight that was stoped due to excesive bleeding after five "accidental" headbuts by Ward. People who cant see how dirty and protected Ward is by referees judges and commentators are plain ******. Kov won at least 14 of the 20 rounds in both fights and lost twice lol

So you blame everyone but Kov, who admitted that he got tired and slowed down as the reason he lost the first fight, his trainer echoed the same reason as to why he lost the first fight. One of his corner men, able sanchez and others noted that kov was just "looking for a way out" of the second fight........So a forum poster knows more about boxing than, 1. professional boxing judges, 2. a professional referee, 3. Roy Jones Jr (one of the greatest boxers ever), 4. kovalev's corner men, 5. a professional trainer who worked with Kov, So youre telling me everyone but Kov is the problem.
A poor craftsmen blames his tools - anonymous

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Those People Really Pretend Ward is Dirty as ****

Anyone who can watch Ward major wins and notbsee outright cheating every damn time is either refusing to admit it or too dimwitted to watch a simple video showing Ward chest, repeatedly.

Ward is P4P King & for everyone crying about Ward being dirty (which is propaganda to discredit Ward) then it shows how weak you would be in a fight. Man up!!

No one needs to try to discredit Ward, the video evidence of him cheating is extensive.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Of Course Ward is a Dirty Fighter

But it's not just that he fouls the living shiiiit out of everyone he faces (Ducking below the waist, elbows, headbutts, billy goats, low blows, etc.). His opponents often get warned for doing a fraction of what Ward gets away with.

Ward went into the Kov fight aiming for low blows assuming he'd get away with them. He did.

This is why despite what the sports writers say, fans reject Ward and his style. You are not fooling the fans!

[Leonis]

So you blame everyone but Kov, who admitted that he got tired and slowed down as the reason he lost the first fight, his trainer echoed the same reason as to why he lost the first fight. One of his corner men, able sanchez and others noted that kov was just "looking for a way out" of the second fight........So a forum poster knows more about boxing than, 1. professional boxing judges, 2. a professional referee, 3. Roy Jones Jr (one of the greatest boxers ever), 4. kovalev's corner men, 5. a professional trainer who worked with Kov, So youre telling me everyone but Kov is the problem.
A poor craftsmen blames his tools - anonymous

All of these people you mention had Kov winning except for the judges what are talking about?

[Mike_R]

I think it's fair to say that the winner of GGG/Canelo gets a rock solid spot in the top 5 P4P.

[HURTFEELINGS]

Its so awesome to see all of this crying, and complaining, just as the Pac fans did after Floyd took him to school, Kov, the tough guy, was made to submit to WARds will. Thats why these posts are so entertaining, You tough talking crybabies had no problem with Maidana fighting dirty (it was just him fighting "rough"), no problems with Kovs rabbit punching in EITHER fight. Funny how your view changes depending on????

[Szef]

Ward does very little beyond what all veteran fighters do. If he wasn't undefeated no one would be making videos of him trying to prove that he is a dirty fighter. What's sad is that the guy is revered by his peers as a top notch professional and great fighter, but a number of fans, presumably butthurt because he defeated their fave fighter, continue to spew false rhetoric that he is dirty even though he has never had a point deducted for these so called dirty tactics. You talk about rules but gloss over or excuse rabbit punches that his opponents fighter throw.

Every fighter has thrown a punch that lands low. Every fighter has used an elbow to create space in the clinch. A lot of fighters use the threat of an accidental butt to discourage an interior attack while in tight. It's called being tactical. This is combat sports! The hurt business. Let's stop being Nancy's with the complaining and name calling.

Oh and that right hand Kovalev ate sure wasn't a slap nor was it soggy.

I don't care that he doesn't get points deducted, I have eyes and know the rules of boxing and what Ward does is illegal. Ward threw the low blow that finished his last fight in front of Tony Weeks and Weeks did nothing. It just shows how you competent and biased some of these judges are.

Nobody is making stuff up about Ward, it's no coincidence that we argue about the same shyt after almost every big fight Ward participates in.

That right hand did start everything and Kovalev was most likely going to lose. But we'll never know because Ward ended the fight with low blows.

The man is a dirty fighter. It's not a false rhetoric, it's a fact that can be easily proven by videos you and me have access to. You choose to ingore it because you're a fan of his, I don't because I am not his fan and can objectively call spade a spade. It's really that simple.

[Szef]

Anyone who can watch Ward major wins and notbsee outright cheating every damn time is either refusing to admit it or too dimwitted to watch a simple video showing Ward chest, repeatedly.

Exactly. I'm tired of hearing Ward fans say the sky is green.

[Diego Rodriguez]

Sounds like you really want to call Trip #1 p4p and are waiting for the Alvarez fight to justify it. If he wins...all credit is due. However 2 quality wins don't make a #1 p4p fighter. Particularly when considering Ward and his two division run and Crawford and the way he has outclassed opponents at two divisions.

For me to consider Golovkin to be P4P #1 he'd have to absolutely demolish Canelo.

There is no exact criteria for P4P. Obviously I believe your record has a big factor but it isn't just about who you beat. IMO the question is if the boxers were pound 4 pound equivalents who do you think would be better. So has a ton of subjectivity in it. I don't think Ward's grip on P4P is solid, that's why I said soft.

I believe Golovkin is a better fighter than Kovavelv pound 4 pound. Simply meaning if they were naturally the same size Golovkin beats K. I think he stops him. I think Golovkin is a better overall fighter than K. IMO K beat Ward in the first fight. Now Ward came back and won and IMO he is the better fighter overall. If K can give Ward as much difficulty as he did, Golovkin was the same weight he'd give Ward as much if not more problems. But all of that is irrelevant to the P4P discussion if he can't beat Canelo. I'd put Canelo maybe a little under Kovalev on a P4P basis but not much.

So that's my explanation.

Frankly I don't feel there is anyone right now from a P4P rating who is the clear guy.

[ray moe]

No no no no