PBC = Part-time Boxing Champions

[rickJen]

They are free agents lol. Thats maybe the problem. If they had a promoter the promoter would be lining sh^t up.

It seems to me like the way Haymon works is a bit of a clusterf#ck to avoid breaking the Muhammad Ali Act. From most accounts he asks you who you wanna fight & who you can think you can beat. From that list he helps you find the best option with one of these PBC friendly promoters. Then he seemingly pays the promoter a flat fee to promote his fighters bout. A promoter has lil upside in promoting a guy or making room for him on his schedule one would even think. And they actually seem to have PBC dates or they turn the promoters already acquired date into a PBC date.

I'd be curious to the inner workings of how PBC/Haymon operates to know what is the major malfunction with this concept cuz there is clearly a problem.

And it could just be shear number of fighters to. I mean Devin Haney & his dad are going the no promoter route & he's got 16 fights in 21 months as a pro & never seems to have much of a problem getting on random promoter cards. He's been on Top Rank, Roy Jones Boxing, Main Events, Peltz Boxing & GH3 cards.

I think these PBC fighters got used to being treated like they're working at Google or Microsoft or something.
They're afraid to jump ship thinking the good old days would come back.
I believe Leo Santa Cruz, for example, is missing those good old days and thus fighting another subpar opponent after turning down the Mares rematch.
When Haymon took full control, who would have thought guys like Rod Salka, Bundu, LeoSantaCruz sparring partners, etc. even existed? It was clear back then that his top fighters would be lining up nobodies and get overpaid.
That's what these PBC fighters were still looking for.
But things have changed. I believe most of them were offered tougher fights but the money wasn't there, thus refuse to fight.

[IMDAZED]

That time of the year again

Yup. Never fails.

[Eff Pandas]

I think these PBC fighters got used to being treated like they're working at Google or Microsoft or something.
They're afraid to jump ship thinking the good old days would come back.
I believe Leo Santa Cruz, for example, is missing those good old days and thus fighting another subpar opponent and turned down the Mares rematch.
When Haymon took full control, who would have thought guys like Rod Salka, Bundu, LeoSantaCruz sparring partners, etc. even existed? It was clear back then that his top fighters would be lining up nobodies and get overpaid.
That's what these PBC fighters were still looking for.
But things have changed. I believe most of them they were offered tougher fights but the money wasn't there, thus they turn them down...

Haymon don't really have full control doe. People keep saying that sh^t, but that don't make it true. He's still just the manager/advisor & if he were to do more than that he'd be breaking the Muhammad Ali Act & who knows what goes down from there. Idk if you can get jail time or some giant ass fine or banned from boxing or what, but I'm sure Haymon is smart enough to know better than to cross that line.

I'd take another weird guess that while I'm sure he was careful to not cross boundaries beyond that of a manager since the two lawsuits by TR & GBP that he's been even more careful to avoid crossing that line which might be accountable for the stall with fighters these days too cuz it wasn't running all that smoothly before, but its going nowhere now.

[rickJen]

Haymon don't really have full control doe. People keep saying that sh^t, but that don't make it true.

If you've seen one of Thurman's videos, he talked about Haymon making these fights for them.
Someone should post that link where he says so.

[Eff Pandas]

If you've seen one of Thurman's videos, he talked about Haymon making these fights for them.
Someone should post that link where he says so.

Managers can setup fights. They just can't promote them. And thats the disconnect. When King was doing the sketchy sh^t he was doing he was promoting & his stepson was managing. They were legit playing both sides against the fighter. Haymon isn't ganging up with promoters, based on the purses I see anyway & how happy his fighters are with their pay, to f#ck over the fighters. If there is any hole is Haymon's situation its probably the limited upside for the flat fee getting promoters. Thats my assumption anyway.

[Finito2K]

Best stable in all of boxing though...

Really? Outside of Mikey Garcia, Keith Thurman and Errol Spence PBC's stable is meh.

[N/A]

Devin Haney & his dad are going the no promoter route & he's got 16 fights in 21 months as a pro & never seems to have much of a problem getting on random promoter cards. He's been on Top Rank, Roy Jones Boxing, Main Events, Peltz Boxing & GH3 cards.

How many of the fights aired on premium cable or a major network?

[IMDAZED]

Really? Outside of Mikey Garcia, Keith Thurman and Errol Spence PBC's stable is meh.

Leo Santa Cruz
Abner Mares
Charlo Bros
Carl Frampton
Deontay Wilder
Adonis Stevenson
Danny Jacobs
Danny Garcia
David Benavidez
Luis Ortiz
Jarrett Hurd
Erislandy Lara
Erickson Lubin
Robert Easter Jr.

I'm probably missing a bunch but I wouldn't call that meh.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

PBC is the best because a REAL FIGHTER doesn't have another fight scheduled.

[rickJen]

Any confirmation to the Danny Garcia vs Rios rumor?
Can this be considered a tuneup for the Gift?