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  • jmrf4435
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    #91
    Originally posted by minkyboodle78
    McGregor is benefitting from lowered expectations more than I have ever seen in the history of boxing. He looked absolutely terrible out there. The fact that some are saying he overperformed, is an inditement of their ability to asses McGregor’s skill or that they thought he was so bad to begin with. He hit Floyd with his best (perhaps only) clean punch of the fight (I think about 5 million MMA fans collectively ******ed during the replay) at about 30 seconds to go of round 1, a looping awkward uppercut. That punch solidified Floyd’s strategy for the rest of the fight. From that point on Floyd had 0, I mean 0, respect for McGregor as a puncher or fighter. Another fighter would have been emboldened to really go at McGregor at that point. That is not Floyd’s game. Any person who had watched Floyd for the past 10 years knew that this fight would be like all his most recent ones. He would give up early rounds to win late. Here is where the fact that he was fighting such a poor opponent ended up giving some what they considered a “good” fight.

    Because Floyd had no respect for Connor, he didn’t even worry about defending against McGregor’s early aggression. He knew he could not be hurt. I don’t want to get into why Connor had poor boxing power, it has to do with many factors. The most simple is, boxers train for years and years to obtain power in the ring. McGregor hasn’t been doing this, why would he as he is an MMA fighter. However, hopefully the idea that he had some secret Leprechaun inspired god given power in the boxing ring was finally put to rest after the 1st.

    Floyd did nothing, I mean nothing the next 2 and a half rounds. People who say that was due to Connor have no pre-knowledge of how Floyd fights. The Pac fight for example, Pac won early rounds. But Floyd was putting on a defense clinic in that fight. He did so, because he respected Pac as a puncher and defended himself accordingly. Floyd knew Connor had no chance to even catch him with a lucky shot, so he sat back and did basically nothing till the 4th (he even mostly stopped head movement, which I could have never predicted). He looked bad doing so. Connor was throwing left and right, they were not any punches of consequence but enough to get the announcers to do their predictable **** and probably win Connor the rounds. People who say “No fighter, would do that by choice, making himself look so bad.” They do not know Floyd Jr. More than any other fighter he does not fight in rounds, but with the whole fight as his goal. He is content to look like dog ****, if it will help him win.

    Now I said Floyd was doing nothing in round 2-4 but that is actually a mistatement. He did no physical fighting of note (it really was astonishing to see him just walk around and let Connor punch at him) but Floyd was actively working to win the fight. He knew stamina would be an issue. Apparently, Joe Rogan and all MMA fans thought throwing 5-15 punches in 5 minute rounds would prepare Connor for throwing 30+ in 3 minute rounds. It wasn’t, who knew? So Floyd was content to relax and was even goading Connor (ala a ****tier version of Ali-Frazier) by taunting him constantly. The fact that he was content to do this leaves me torn. One one hand, the cojones that it takes to literally take a dump in the ring in front the world and not give a ****, since it’s a winning strategy is admirable from a balls perspective. From a viewing perspective, it sucks and as a fight fan, its not a quality that I admire. This attitude, combined with Floyd’s skill, has hurt the sport in recent years.

    By the middle of the 3rd, the fight was turning. It was basically over by the end of the 4th. I never thought I would see Floyd walking in there, head motionless, smirk on his face, like a mini Tommy Hearns. That a fighter with hands brittle enough that paper cuts are a dire threat looked like this, then you should question who they are fighting against. The next couple of rounds are pretty easy to score/figure. I was impressed with Floyd’s body work. It certainly hastened the end for Connor. Of his best punches in rounds 4-10, I roughly estimate half were to the Irish man’s (considerably larger) body. Connor didn’t just get “gassed,” Floyd was killing him to the body.

    Now we come to the stoppage. To all those complaining, let me just say “Get the fook out of here!”

    McGregor complained after the fight, but neither he or his corner said peep at the actual stoppage. Experienced fight fans will know this is a key thing. He was out on his feet, he knew and so did his corner.

    Fight played out like I think a lot of fight fans thought.
    In your multi page soliloquy you forget to mention that BS "LOW BLOW" that was called in error against Conner.

    It clearly had floyd hurt and the paid off ref took action...if conner was allowed to continue to strike c'mon man!!!

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      #92
      Originally posted by jmrf4435
      Yes, he was not doing anything because of mcgregors style and countering. He was abit shocked...

      I love boxing, but that made boxing look horrible and overrated.

      It made boxing look as if it didn't have the best athletes in the world..which it doesn't.
      exactly .. thanks to floyd for that amateurish showing, mma fans now have more ammo to throw against boxing

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        #93
        Originally posted by minkyboodle78
        McGregor is benefitting from lowered expectations more than I have ever seen in the history of boxing. He looked absolutely terrible out there. The fact that some are saying he overperformed, is an inditement of their ability to asses McGregor’s skill or that they thought he was so bad to begin with. He hit Floyd with his best (perhaps only) clean punch of the fight (I think about 5 million MMA fans collectively ******ed during the replay) at about 30 seconds to go of round 1, a looping awkward uppercut. That punch solidified Floyd’s strategy for the rest of the fight. From that point on Floyd had 0, I mean 0, respect for McGregor as a puncher or fighter. Another fighter would have been emboldened to really go at McGregor at that point. That is not Floyd’s game. Any person who had watched Floyd for the past 10 years knew that this fight would be like all his most recent ones. He would give up early rounds to win late. Here is where the fact that he was fighting such a poor opponent ended up giving some what they considered a “good” fight.

        Because Floyd had no respect for Connor, he didn’t even worry about defending against McGregor’s early aggression. He knew he could not be hurt. I don’t want to get into why Connor had poor boxing power, it has to do with many factors. The most simple is, boxers train for years and years to obtain power in the ring. McGregor hasn’t been doing this, why would he as he is an MMA fighter. However, hopefully the idea that he had some secret Leprechaun inspired god given power in the boxing ring was finally put to rest after the 1st.

        Floyd did nothing, I mean nothing the next 2 and a half rounds. People who say that was due to Connor have no pre-knowledge of how Floyd fights. The Pac fight for example, Pac won early rounds. But Floyd was putting on a defense clinic in that fight. He did so, because he respected Pac as a puncher and defended himself accordingly. Floyd knew Connor had no chance to even catch him with a lucky shot, so he sat back and did basically nothing till the 4th (he even mostly stopped head movement, which I could have never predicted). He looked bad doing so. Connor was throwing left and right, they were not any punches of consequence but enough to get the announcers to do their predictable **** and probably win Connor the rounds. People who say “No fighter, would do that by choice, making himself look so bad.” They do not know Floyd Jr. More than any other fighter he does not fight in rounds, but with the whole fight as his goal. He is content to look like dog ****, if it will help him win.

        Now I said Floyd was doing nothing in round 2-4 but that is actually a mistatement. He did no physical fighting of note (it really was astonishing to see him just walk around and let Connor punch at him) but Floyd was actively working to win the fight. He knew stamina would be an issue. Apparently, Joe Rogan and all MMA fans thought throwing 5-15 punches in 5 minute rounds would prepare Connor for throwing 30+ in 3 minute rounds. It wasn’t, who knew? So Floyd was content to relax and was even goading Connor (ala a ****tier version of Ali-Frazier) by taunting him constantly. The fact that he was content to do this leaves me torn. One one hand, the cojones that it takes to literally take a dump in the ring in front the world and not give a ****, since it’s a winning strategy is admirable from a balls perspective. From a viewing perspective, it sucks and as a fight fan, its not a quality that I admire. This attitude, combined with Floyd’s skill, has hurt the sport in recent years.

        By the middle of the 3rd, the fight was turning. It was basically over by the end of the 4th. I never thought I would see Floyd walking in there, head motionless, smirk on his face, like a mini Tommy Hearns. That a fighter with hands brittle enough that paper cuts are a dire threat looked like this, then you should question who they are fighting against. The next couple of rounds are pretty easy to score/figure. I was impressed with Floyd’s body work. It certainly hastened the end for Connor. Of his best punches in rounds 4-10, I roughly estimate half were to the Irish man’s (considerably larger) body. Connor didn’t just get “gassed,” Floyd was killing him to the body.

        Now we come to the stoppage. To all those complaining, let me just say “Get the fook out of here!”

        McGregor complained after the fight, but neither he or his corner said peep at the actual stoppage. Experienced fight fans will know this is a key thing. He was out on his feet, he knew and so did his corner.

        Fight played out like I think a lot of fight fans thought.
        defensive clinic....where? pac was hitting him with the much cleaner flusher punches, rocked him badly twice, and made him buckle and flail towards the canvas on several other occasions. sure floyd got hit a lot less than guys like cotto or marg when they fought pac but thats not how you score boxing. you score fighter a vs fightr b not fighter a vs the best possible fight fighter b has ever had. oh he didn meet those expectation i guess he lost! the equivalent would be well floyd didnt look like he did when he fought corrales i guess pac wins! thats just silly.

        i think you are confusing a slow paced fight with being a defensive clinic. just because it was slow paced doesnt mean he was defending against the punches well because he clearly was not as he was being hit much more flush. defensie clinic was what he did against canelo. he only needed a lil offense to win that one since his defense was so good. pac was hitting him with the much better punches so he needed more offense and more clean punches but it just never came besides the obv rounds he won like 1,5,11.

        if anyone put on a defensive clinic it was pac who rarely got hit flush against the supposed most accurate puncher. he rarely got countered againt the supposed best counter puncher. really the only offense floyd could muster was a weak jab that rarely made contact and when it did was grazing at best or some very weak touches that werent even thrown in a punch like motion so im not sure touching your opponent counts as punching but who knows. his rep and inaccurate compubox numbers carried him to victory. he fought like he knew he didnt have to take any risks and he would get the decision as long as he didnt get ko'd.
        Last edited by daggum; 08-28-2017, 05:45 PM.

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        • JK1700
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          #94
          Success? I gave him 1 round, arguably 2 if you stretch it. Just because Floyd was waiting and getting adjusted to his timing. It really wasn't that Conor did much, it's just that Floyd didn't. As soon as Floyd got adjusted it was easy work. Even the British commentators were saying by round 5 that Floyd could knock him out any time he wanted to. My opinion is that he wanted the beating to last as long as possible to embarrass Conor and the UFC. Floyd wanted to make him quit, but credit to McGregor he hung in there until the ref called an end to it. You trolls need to stop acting like it was a hard fight for Floyd and just admit he dominated, embarrassed and beat up Conor. This was like the cherry on top of his career, he beat everyone in boxing and embarrassed the sport that's supposed to be "taking over" as well. It wasn't just a win for Floyd but a win for the sport of boxing.
          Last edited by JK1700; 08-28-2017, 05:49 PM.

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            #95
            Originally posted by jmrf4435
            In your multi page soliloquy you forget to mention that BS "LOW BLOW" that was called in error against Conner.

            It clearly had floyd hurt and the paid off ref took action...if conner was allowed to continue to strike c'mon man!!!
            it was a bit low but it shows you how boxing works. when ward did similar punches the ref pretended they were clean(after first pretending they were low) and when floyd gets hit in a similar spot they are low cause floyd says so. ref always listens to floyd of course.

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            • USMCer
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              #96
              Originally posted by jmrf4435
              AT light weight and featherweight who would you favor?????????????????????NO ONE

              He's not a welterweight by MMA standards...
              Conor loses to smart, quality wrestlers with decent chins at 155 and 145...

              Ferguson > Conor
              Khabib > Conor
              Chandler > Conor
              Frankie > Conor
              Bendo >/? Conor
              Melendez >/?? Conor
              Chad Mendez ??? Conor (50/50 in the rematch)

              Not to mention...
              Nate Diaz >/? Conor in the trilogy


              My MMA rankings:

              Lightweight - 155lbs
              1. Ferguson
              2. Khabib
              3. McGregor (UFC Champ)

              Featherweight - 145lbs
              1. McGregor (Lineal Champ)
              2. Frankie Edgar
              3. Holloway (UFC Champ)

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                #97
                Short answer: 20 lbs and unknown territory ...

                I think Floyd would have gone for the kill earlier if he had known that Big MW couldn't hit like a boxer...

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by USMCer
                  Conor loses to smart, quality wrestlers with decent chins at 155 and 145...

                  Ferguson > Conor
                  Khabib > Conor
                  Chandler > Conor
                  Frankie > Conor
                  Bendo >/? Conor
                  Melendez >/?? Conor
                  Chad Mendez ??? Conor (50/50 in the rematch)

                  Not to mention...
                  Nate Diaz >/? Conor in the trilogy


                  My MMA rankings:

                  Lightweight - 155lbs
                  1. Ferguson
                  2. Khabib
                  3. McGregor (UFC Champ)

                  Featherweight - 145lbs
                  1. McGregor (Lineal Champ)
                  2. Frankie Edgar
                  3. Holloway (UFC Champ)

                  NO way khabib and ferguson beat connor. Khabib almost got dropped by johnson and cannot make it to the ring, pulling out like 50% of the time. Ferguson will not beat mcgregor. Conner is the best on both those divisions, ferguson is prob most interesting but I would still favor connor.

                  With that boxing training mcgregors striking will be even better as well

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by jmrf4435
                    NO way khabib and ferguson beat connor. Khabib almost got dropped by johnson and cannot make it to the ring, pulling out like 50% of the time. Ferguson will not beat mcgregor. Conner is the best on both those divisions, ferguson is prob most interesting but I would still favor connor.

                    With that boxing training mcgregors striking will be even better as well
                    Conor needs to train wrestling.

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                    • LittleLucy
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                      #100
                      the truth is

                      Mcgregor was actually winning until he gassed out
                      when he did
                      thats when Floyd actually started to land
                      which was right after the fourth

                      lol
                      TBE
                      LOL

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