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  • USMCer
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    #21
    Originally posted by 1hourRun
    I mean when you say ''really fight'' I'm thinking like real martial arts where you are taught to gauge a mans eye out or target his throat as in ninjutsu, kick him in the nuts; nerve holds and **** -- you know REAL martial arts not that fake MMA sport that do not even permit headbutts

    ...and honestly trying to teach the average person how to MMA head-kick or a spinning elbow on a opponent is pretty ******.
    United States Marine Corps Martial Arts Program "Tan Belt" right here...
    Iraq War vet, Infantry...

    We trained "eye raking," we trained "g**** stomps" (smashing the heel of your boot on your opponents head when they're on the ground), we trained pressure point attacks, etc... along with the more "sporting" martial arts like punches, knees, kicks, trips, throws, chokes, locks...

    If I meant all-out kill-or-be-killed type of situation, I'd probably express that as "real combat" or something. But when I said "really fight" I meant it as more like, utilizing the most out of your physical abilities to subdue an opponent.

    MMA is a sport, yes. It also happens to be the sport that most closely resembles fighting.


    Last edited by USMCer; 08-18-2017, 09:58 PM.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Kid Blackie
      For some reason, people ignorant to fighting assume adding kicking & dry humping makes it more of a fight, it doesn't.

      Morons also seem to think MMA is real fighting or street fighting.
      Since when do people get into Karate stances, throw kicks, and dry hump each other on the floor in a real fight? I've never seen it.
      The fewer rules there are the more of a fight it is.

      Doesn't mean you have to enjoy watching it.

      You don't have to watch wartime footage either.

      Don't worry boxers were never actually "baddest men on the planet". They never even broke into the top million. Nothing has changed. You're still allowed to watch boxing.

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      • 1hourRun
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        #23
        Originally posted by USMCer
        United States Marine Corps Martial Arts Program "Tan Belt" right here...
        Iraq War vet, Infantry...

        We trained "eye raking," we trained "g**** stomps" (smashing the heel of your boot on your opponents head when they're on the ground), we trained pressure point attacks, etc... along with the more "sporting" martial arts like punches, knees, kicks, trips, throws, chokes, locks...

        If I meant all-out kill-or-be-killed type of situation, I'd probably express that as "real combat" or something. But when I said "really fight" I meant it as more like, utilizing the most out of your physical abilities to subdue an opponent.

        MMA is a sport, yes. It also happens to be the sport that most closely resembles fighting.
        Well I dont know about you but when someone attacks me I go for my weapon I'm not going to figure out if this person intends to kill me during an attack...so to me its all the same.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Scipio2009
          MMA, at it's very best, is pretty electric to watch. Jon Jones, Demetrius Johnson, Frankie Edgar, GSP, and a few others are examples of what Dana White and others sell to the world as being their sport.

          The problems arise, however, when folks start to realize that the number of UFC fighters who can do everything are actually very few of the folks who compete in the UFC. To go beyond that, the UFC has been so wrestler dominant through so much of their run that the bulk of their guys look like **** when actually having to punch with their hands.
          MMA is still evolving doe & more & more guys are MMA guys instead of wresters, BJJ guy, kickboxers or whatever who compete in MMA. In another decade or two MMA is gonna look like a bunch of Jon Jones-ish mfers.

          I mean we've already seen the womans side advance greatly in skill since they've been in the UFC.

          The men were already more advanced so they haven't leveled up as quick, but its slowly going upwards.

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          • Metho_4u
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            #25
            Originally posted by 1hourRun
            I mean when you say ''really fight'' I'm thinking like real martial arts where you are taught to gauge a mans eye out or target his throat as in ninjutsu, kick him in the nuts; nerve holds and **** -- you know REAL martial arts not that fake MMA sport that do not even permit headbutts

            ...and honestly trying to teach the average person how to MMA head-kick or a spinning elbow on a opponent is pretty ******.
            What you're describing in not reality based self defense. The eyes, throat, nuts, all very small targets, and in REAL life and death combat, you also have the adrenaline dump that can and will completely take over your system and cause you to freeze.

            Ninjustsu is NOT real life combat fighting. The art of ninjustsu started when the samurai took over farmers lands and such in Japan. They had no weapons and no training, so they had to learn the art of assassination and element of surprise.

            If you want to know whast arts are effective, look and which ones have been used on the battlefield in REA L combat for hundreds or thousands of years. For instance, Muay Thai...the battlefield art of it is called Muay Boran, which is the art of 8 limbs, but also involves using the head and some other things. All of that Krav maga and crap like that are largely taught at mcDojos to make money, which is sad because it REALLY gives people false security. You want to learn deal Krav maga? Get on a plane to Israel and find a high up officer to teach it to you, because that stuff is not effective the way it's taught here.

            The fact is that boxing is a sport that is centered around 4 basic punches. Now, those punches can be varied and are varied quite a bit, but one who is looking to learn the 4 basic punches as a means of self defense will do fine if he or she works hard and proper technique, footwork, etc. It's simply the more simplistic an art is the less likely you see a degradation of skills that are not ingrained, when trouble happens.

            I asked a very respected martial arts instructor once, what was the single best move to practice over and over for self defense. Know what he said? "Straight right hand with the proper technique" .

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            • Sp0rty Cr@ig
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              #26
              An MMA fight is obviously closer to a real fight due to less restrictions.

              I love it when MMA fans bring that fact up tho. I like boxing because I love the sport. Not because I want to emulate a street fight

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              • sicko
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                #27
                Honestly, I'm probably just as much of a MMA fan as I am a Boxing Fan!

                MMA fighters TRAIN IN BOXING. I remember seeing video of Luke Rockhold, Mo Lawal and T.J. Dillashaw working on their boxing at Mayweather with Jeff Mayweather years ago so most of them do respect boxing.

                As for the fans, the current invasion you're seeing with these new accounts those are mostly McGregor Fans whom honestly, Hardcore MMA fans don't care for much either because most of them are just ***ing Idiots who are obsessed with McGregor.

                In a street fight NO MMA doesn't win Automatically. Most street fights you see on video are 98% of the time Fist To Fist Combat rarely do you see guys breaking out Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in a street fight or throwing kicks. Now sometimes you do see guys get slammed on Concrete when they tie up I see that often but for the most part it is usually hand to hand combat

                A Pro Boxer hitting the Average person with Bare Knuckle that could be deadly honestly. They know how to Turn Punches and time their punches and hit with Accuracy that could seriously injure the average person who is NOT trained in boxing

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                • USMCer
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by 1hourRun
                  ...and honestly trying to teach the average person how to MMA head-kick or a spinning elbow on a opponent is pretty ******.
                  Well those are some high-risk techniques, though.

                  Go with low kicks (targeting the knee/thigh) instead of head kicks. And "spinning shtt" is still fairly exotic/somewhat rare even in MMA.

                  Learn takedowns and striking defense to begin with. Build upon that... the more Jiu Jitsu you know, the more you can risk throwing kicks (kicks can lead to you being put on your back)... the more wrestling you know the more you can dictate where the fight goes...

                  And BTW, it's already happening. Your average person is learning this stuff.
                  It's been happening on the West Coast for years, for sure, little by little.

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                  • Kid Blackie
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by ////
                    The fewer rules there are the more of a fight it is.

                    Doesn't mean you have to enjoy watching it.

                    You don't have to watch wartime footage either.

                    Don't worry boxers were never actually "baddest men on the planet". They never even broke into the top million. Nothing has changed. You're still allowed to watch boxing.
                    A Boxer coined that term moron and he lived up to that name.

                    The Baddest Man on The Planet, Iron Mike Tyson. No man can check him in the streets, ask Mitch Green, he'd tell you.

                    Everyone feared him, even the police were struck with complete terror.

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                    • 1hourRun
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by USMCer
                      Well those are some high-risk techniques, though.

                      Go with low kicks (targeting the knee/thigh) instead of head kicks. And "spinning shtt" is still fairly exotic/somewhat rare even in MMA.

                      Learn takedowns and striking defense to begin with. Build upon that... the more Jiu Jitsu you know, the more you can risk throwing kicks (kicks can lead to you being put on your back)... the more wrestling you know the more you can dictate where the fight goes...

                      And BTW, it's already happening. Your average person is learning this stuff.
                      It's been happening on the West Coast for years, for sure, little by little.
                      None of that is any good, everytime I get in a fight I end up getting jumped, last time I fought four the one before that I fought two p*ssies. This is reality, people nowadays are cowards and wont give you a fair one, so for some of us in these streets this is all a BS. Then you got to think that all it takes is one punch to kill a man or seriously injure him for these reasons I keep a tool on hand, I'm not out there to prove nothing.

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