The misconception of MMA

[1hourRun]

Here is my take on it. MMA is as limiting as boxing, but in a different way.

Half of the techniques used in MMA would not work in a 'no-rules' contest.

A few examples:

When an opponent is on their back (and the other standing up), and you get this weird 'stand-off' with both guys.... the guy standing up kicking the legs of the guy on the floor. And the guy on the floor doing like laying down oblique kicks, effectively keeping the standing up guy at bay. In a real fight, if you gave up your standing position... the guy standing up would just full on stomp on the laying down guys testicles. But as that is a no go zone in MMA, you get this weird scenario where the guy standing up can't really penetrate the guy on his back.

Another example is half of the BJJ stuff. Yes, arm-locks, leg-locks, chokes etc are effective techniques. But in a real fight, they simply wouldn't work hardly anywhere near the amount that they do in the octagon. And the simple reason for this is biting. If you got that up-close to someone in a no-rules contest and tried putting in an arm-lock or something... you would get a chunk bitten out of you.

I think there is this weird thing with MMA where because it allows 'more' techniques, people instantly associate it with being more of a 'real-fight'. But they don't take into account that half of the techniques that work, only do so because certain rules prevent an opponent from being able to nullify them. Essentially the rules favour a very limited set of techniques. You have to realise that all sports... just having 1 rule, means you get always get a 'meta-game' within the game. If MMA was real 'no rules' fighting, I can assure you, it would look a hell of a lot different than it does in its current state.

Now, I love boxing and MMA, I think they are both exciting and both have amazing athletes competing in both. I just think it is total bull**** that MMA has this real snobbery about itself where fans and fighters believe that boxing is totally limited and that their sport isn't.

Please note - when I am talking about a 'real no rules fight'.... I am not talking about 2 average men, I am talking about the same calibre of athletes in boxing and MMA, but there are no rules in the contest.

Bwahahahaha!!! reality!

[craigus1990]

The more techniques you know/well-versed you are, the more weapons you have at your disposal.

The more weapons you have, the better fighter that makes you.

That's it.


Please note - You're talking about PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIGHT versus other people who don't know how to fight... if all they're using are their fists.

I think you completely misread my post... or you didn't get it? To be honest, I think you were too busy going defensive.

I was never talking about what makes someone a 'better' fighter.... I am talking about MMA as a sport (UFC, Bellator, etc) being limited, albeit in a different way to boxing and other fight sports - but still very much limited and nothing close to a real no rules contest.

I am not talking about 'people who only punch' - That 'Please note' section was saying that if there was a 'no rules combat sport', then within the context of the types of people competing, they would do so with the same level of commitment that we see Boxers or MMA combatants do so now. And that if there was a 'no rules combat sport', that it would look a lot different than MMA does in its current state. I was essentially painting a picture in which 'no rules combat' takes place on a level in which the athletes specifically train for such a thing. I don't know how you got 'people who only punch' from that... maybe learn to read, and don't reflect your own insecurities on what other people are saying?

Don't make it a **** measuring contest... I don't care if you think you could beat up someone, and how many Bruce Lee films you've watched, or how much you want to be asian. I'm not talking about anything to do with any of that.... I am talking about how effective certain techniques would be - that are used right now to great affect in MMA disciplines - in a no rules contest and how MMA has a 'meta-game' despite many people denying its existence.

Almost every martial art - especially those created and practised in the modern day - are done so within their own bubble. They are used against each other and are not implemented outside of certain scenarios. As I mentioned.... go and look at any/most MMA match(es).... and when they (the combatants) are up-close and fiddling around with the intricacies of grappling... say to yourself, how different would this look if they were allowed to bite each other.... or grab/pull/hit each other in the testicles? Look at their head positions, in close with one another, whilst they try and occupy each other's arms etc... taking minutes to position themselves and manipulate their opponents limbs... and then imagine that it was really a no limits contest, and you can instantly see the problem. You would never be able to get that close to a person's mouth for that long.... you would have a chunk taken out of you. Most grappling works within the boundaries that it sets itself.... the application of such techniques would not be advisable against an opponent that is willing to bite a chunk out of you.

I am not discrediting these arts... they are still arts that require great knowledge and skill.... but they are arts that work within the confines of themselves... they don't account for things that could nullify them, outside of their own network of rules. If you take away those rules - specifically no biting and no hitting/grabbing testicles - then those techniques become a lot more redundant, because they can now be nullified by anyone. That does not take away their credibility as a 'sport', but you have to realise, that is exactly what it is... the same as any other fight sport... they are just sports that live within their own boundaries.

I think you've completely misunderstood my points because you were too busy getting defensive. I was never saying Boxing >>>>> Anything else... I am perfectly comfortable admitting that boxing is a limited fight sport too. I was merely pointing out that despite there being a relative snobbery and superiority complex around MMA and its fans/fighters believing they are competing in 'real' fights and other 'fight sports are limited'.... it is in fact also very limited and the techniques we see being effective today, are only effective within the confines of its own 'meta-game' that has developed through the limitations applied to it by way of the rules.

[ironmt]

True story I was wrestling my friend one day when I noticed he stuck his finger in my ******** when he was losing. Apparently it's a move called checking for oil. I don't care how complex fights get with multiple practices if that gay **** happens to me. Stay away from my ******** if you don't have my permission.

Did this happen In Hershey Pennsylvania, off the Hershey Highway?

[Vegemil]

Did this happen In Hershey Pennsylvania, off the Hershey Highway?

It happened in Georgia in my friend's sex dungeon.

[SplitSecond]

Mma is just masters of nothing. Put an mma fighter in with an equal level/talent muay thai fighter in muay thai, and the mma guys gets the sht beat outta him, put the mma guy in wrestling and the mma guy gets his sht twisted, put the mma guy with a boxer and he gets knocked out. I actually think a master entering mma has a better chance than the other way around, at least in beating certain opponents of his level/talent because the mma fighters skills and strengths are so varied that if you are a striker for instance and run into an opponent who prefers striking you stand a great chance because his striking will not be upto par. But campaigning in mma is different as you'll pick up lots of losses without a balanced skillset.

The good thing about mma is the "wtf" factor because guys can pull out so much sht outta their ass that you arent great at dealing with. In the streets mma is good for the general knowledge to deal with a broader situation. But say you are a top boxer, you can avoid even getting to most of those situations by ending a fight before the situation arises.

And no mma/ufc is not "real fighting", ive seen lots of mma fights ended with single blows to the spine (mayorga debut was one, another was with a japanese guy) and its a dq, same with that no 12-6 elbows, who in a street fight is trying to avoid a guys spine during a tackle or being mindful not to throw the most vicious kind of elbows you can. Cant kick guys as they get up neither I dont think, no soccer kicks while on the canvas. Its a sport people, just in its infancy so its low level and relatively barbaric. We have hundreds of years of slick operators and amazing talent. The most talented(including skills) guy in mma ever I think is jon jones, and even he's not a phenom like you get in a historic sport like boxing with guys being monster punchers whilst being speed demons with iron chins and crazy stamina before being topped off with elite skills.

[Johnny2x2x]

Ground game means nothing in a real fight, the last place you want to be in a real fight is on the ground, and this is coming from someone with a wrestling background. Stuffing takedowns is important. Elbows and dirty boxing are valuable though.

Kicks? I have a philosophy about this, some disagree. My philosophy is low kicks only because you don't want to get off balance and end up on the ground where you're going to get kicked in the head by other people. I've seen maybe 50 bar or street fights in my life, I don't think I've seen more than 1 or 2 high kicks executed where they had a favorable effect. Low kicks can get your opponent off balance and distract them as well.

Boxing is the best base for real fighting, but adding elbows and low kicks IMO is very valuable. Wrestling and Judo help to understand leverage. Honestly, hockey fighting without skates is probably what most fights resemble in real life, grabbing, holding with one hand and swinging with the free hand. And this style of fighting holds the target in one spot too.

[Kid Blackie]

u gay?????

Is there something you want to tell us? I'll have you know we already knew you were gay just from your obsession with MMA.

Dry humping another man for 20 minutes is not my thing, unlike you. Weirdo.

[Kid Blackie]

What MMA glorifies


...

Dry humping is actually a skill in MMA.

That fact alone ethers your entire argument. Stop it.

[USMCer]

I think you completely misread my post... or you didn't get it? To be honest, I think you were too busy going defensive.

I was never talking about what makes someone a 'better' fighter.... I am talking about MMA as a sport (UFC, Bellator, etc) being limited, albeit in a different way to boxing and other fight sports - but still very much limited and nothing close to a real no rules contest.

I am not talking about 'people who only punch' - That 'Please note' section was saying that if there was a 'no rules combat sport', then within the context of the types of people competing, they would do so with the same level of commitment that we see Boxers or MMA combatants do so now. And that if there was a 'no rules combat sport', that it would look a lot different than MMA does in its current state. I was essentially painting a picture in which 'no rules combat' takes place on a level in which the athletes specifically train for such a thing. I don't know how you got 'people who only punch' from that... maybe learn to read, and don't reflect your own insecurities on what other people are saying?

Don't make it a **** measuring contest... I don't care if you think you could beat up someone, and how many Bruce Lee films you've watched, or how much you want to be asian. I'm not talking about anything to do with any of that.... I am talking about how effective certain techniques would be - that are used right now to great affect in MMA disciplines - in a no rules contest and how MMA has a 'meta-game' despite many people denying its existence.

Almost every martial art - especially those created and practised in the modern day - are done so within their own bubble. They are used against each other and are not implemented outside of certain scenarios. As I mentioned.... go and look at any/most MMA match(es).... and when they (the combatants) are up-close and fiddling around with the intricacies of grappling... say to yourself, how different would this look if they were allowed to bite each other.... or grab/pull/hit each other in the testicles? Look at their head positions, in close with one another, whilst they try and occupy each other's arms etc... taking minutes to position themselves and manipulate their opponents limbs... and then imagine that it was really a no limits contest, and you can instantly see the problem. You would never be able to get that close to a person's mouth for that long.... you would have a chunk taken out of you. Most grappling works within the boundaries that it sets itself.... the application of such techniques would not be advisable against an opponent that is willing to bite a chunk out of you.

I am not discrediting these arts... they are still arts that require great knowledge and skill.... but they are arts that work within the confines of themselves... they don't account for things that could nullify them, outside of their own network of rules. If you take away those rules - specifically no biting and no hitting/grabbing testicles - then those techniques become a lot more redundant, because they can now be nullified by anyone. That does not take away their credibility as a 'sport', but you have to realise, that is exactly what it is... the same as any other fight sport... they are just sports that live within their own boundaries.

I think you've completely misunderstood my points because you were too busy getting defensive. I was never saying Boxing >>>>> Anything else... I am perfectly comfortable admitting that boxing is a limited fight sport too. I was merely pointing out that despite there being a relative snobbery and superiority complex around MMA and its fans/fighters believing they are competing in 'real' fights and other 'fight sports are limited'.... it is in fact also very limited and the techniques we see being effective today, are only effective within the confines of its own 'meta-game' that has developed through the limitations applied to it by way of the rules.

Efficacy in more techniques, in more forms of fighting, is less limiting. It's that simple.

Someone who wants to bite you or kick you in the balls is more likely to actually do it, if your fighting knowledge is limited to Boxing, as opposed to MMA.


P.S.
Are you aware of the origins of what we now call "MMA," or of the "Ultimate Fighting Championship"?
What do you know about the notorious "Gracie Challenge"?

P.P.S.
The thing I misread was your "please note"... I thought you were talking about "2 average men"... thus my comments about "people who dont know how to fight." But whatever the case, your average guy or if we're talking two quality athletes, the same (above) applies. You're less limited with MMA. And that's not snobbery.

[USMCer]

Dry humping is actually a skill in MMA.

That fact alone ethers your entire argument. Stop it.

My entire argument...?

If all you know is Boxing... you wouldn't have a choice, you'd be the one getting humped.


Guy, this is not up for debate anymore.