Comments Thread For: Cleverly: Me and Badou Jack Could Be 'Real Fight' of The Night

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  • kafkod
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    #11
    Originally posted by FLEX U.K
    I've been ridiculed on here before for saying it but i think Cleverly takes this. Big step up for Jack in his first fight at the weight. Cleverly's work rate, hand speed and shot selection will give Jack problems. Looking forward to this fight the most on this card
    Originally posted by *TonyMontana*
    I was a cleverly fan
    But I just don't see it
    Hope you are right though
    But agreed should be a great fight
    Originally posted by Sparked_26
    I hope Clev got a big payday in this one. Does sound a bit off to not sign the fight again until weeks before by TMT. Poor sportsmanship if nothing else.

    Clev's been in some rough fights and he's got a bit about him outside the ring so hopefully he hasn't had the mathematics degree punched out of his head.

    I'm with Tony Montana. Clev looks done to me. Braehmer got an injury and Clev gutted it out like always but even in that he was getting hit very hard by a good puncher - many times. He is conditioned very well and has great stamina and a good chin but I fear for him a little bit.

    100% I think Jack will stop him late. And I suppose Clev could hang around and face Buglioni, Yarde, and Burton but hopefully he has made his dough.

    He's an old 30.
    The way Cleverly's career went was a big disappointment to me. When he was with Enzo Calzaghe he was a boxer/mover who did a lot of work behind the jab at long range.

    He was very effective fighting like that, but after KO'ing a few domestic level guys, he and his dad got it into their heads that Nathan had world class power and should be coming forward, applying pressure, and looking to KO everybody he fought. His dad took over as head coach and tried to do the same thing with Cleverly as Enzo did with his son.

    They thought Cleverly/Kovalev was going to be Calzaghe/Lacy~2, hence the disastrous game plan employed.

    His dad bowed out as coach after that train wreck, but Nathan is still swarming forward taking one to land one.

    Nobody should be ridiculed for giving him a chance against Jack at 175. It all depends how Jack handles the step up in weight.

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    • MDPopescu
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      #12
      ... Jack vs Clev is, of course, the 'Real (boxing) Fight' of The Night...

      ... in case nothing very ****** happens, I expect Jack to win -- even by stoppage...

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      • *TonyMontana*
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        #13
        Originally posted by kafkod
        The way Cleverly's career went was a big disappointment to me. When he was with Enzo Calzaghe he was a boxer/mover who did a lot of work behind the jab at long range.

        He was very effective fighting like that, but after KO'ing a few domestic level guys, he and his dad got it into their heads that Nathan had world class power and should be coming forward, applying pressure, and looking to KO everybody he fought. His dad took over as head coach and tried to do the same thing with Cleverly as Enzo did with his son.

        They thought Cleverly/Kovalev was going to be Calzaghe/Lacy~2, hence the disastrous game plan employed.

        His dad bowed out as coach after that train wreck, but Nathan is still swarming forward taking one to land one.

        Nobody should be ridiculed for giving him a chance against Jack at 175. It all depends how Jack handles the step up in weight.
        Agreed
        Good post

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          #14
          Badou has too much for Cleverly imo. Cleverly has more skill, but "will" will be the difference in this contest. Badou is a tough guy. I think he stops Nathan late.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Butch.McRae
            Badou has too much for Cleverly imo. Cleverly has more skill, but "will" will be the difference in this contest. Badou is a tough guy. I think he stops Nathan late.
            Cleverly has always had heart and will. If I thought he had more skill than Jack, and was planning to use it instead of going head to head, I would be tipping him strongly to win.

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              #16
              I quite like the fight. Jack has looked good lately and Cleverly is good fighter on this day. I think we can all agree it's a very good fight for an undercard anyway.

              I think Jack might have a bit too much for him at this point but it depends how his power is at 175 too. If Cleverly feels he hasn't got much to worry about, he might up his work rate and try to outwork Jack.

              I don't think this fight is a walk in the park for Badou Jack at all but if it is, i'll be impressed.
              Last edited by TheBigLug; 08-17-2017, 08:44 AM.

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                #17
                Originally posted by kafkod
                Cleverly has always had heart and will. If I thought he had more skill than Jack, and was planning to use it instead of going head to head, I would be tipping him strongly to win.
                I do think Cleverly is a tough guy, but Badou is one of those boxers who just brings a lot of grit and determination in the ring. He's won several fights that I thought he shouldve lost due to his focus and grind. He's won me over in the last few years. Im not underestimating him anymore lol

                When you add that with the fact that Celverly has been through it a bit, I think he'll look up and find the tank empty late in the contest.

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                • kafkod
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Butch.McRae
                  I do think Cleverly is a tough guy, but Badou is one of those boxers who just brings a lot of grit and determination in the ring. He's won several fights that I thought he shouldve lost due to his focus and grind. He's won me over in the last few years. Im not underestimating him anymore lol

                  When you add that with the fact that Celverly has been through it a bit, I think he'll look up and find the tank empty late in the contest.
                  That's a possibility, for sure.

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                    #19
                    I feel Cleverly may be done now, he's been in a lot of wars, going years back.

                    But yeah, it's easily the best fight on the card for me.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Sparked_26
                      I hope Clev got a big payday in this one. Does sound a bit off to not sign the fight again until weeks before by TMT. Poor sportsmanship if nothing else.

                      Clev's been in some rough fights and he's got a bit about him outside the ring so hopefully he hasn't had the mathematics degree punched out of his head.

                      I'm with Tony Montana. Clev looks done to me. Braehmer got an injury and Clev gutted it out like always but even in that he was getting hit very hard by a good puncher - many times. He is conditioned very well and has great stamina and a good chin but I fear for him a little bit.

                      100% I think Jack will stop him late. And I suppose Clev could hang around and face Buglioni, Yarde, and Burton but hopefully he has made his dough.

                      He's an old 30.
                      Man shut up the been negotiating this fight for 6 months. No one put a gun to his head and made him sign. Jack was supposed to face a better fighter but he pulled out

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