Why didn't Hagler challenge himself

[Mr.Fantastic]

Crawford, Canelo, Ward, Wilder, Thurman.

Ward isn't active anymore.

Criticize Golovkin but yet you like Crawford and Wilder even though their resume isn't great like GGG. Guess it's that pro race mentality.

[Raggamuffin]

Ward isn't active anymore.

Criticize Golovkin but yet you like Crawford and Wilder even though their resume isn't great like GGG. Guess it's that pro race mentality.

You can bring up race if you want, but that's my top 5. And GG's resume isn't great, it's good. He stepped up his comp as of late. it's no fault of his own that his resume isn't greater than what it is, and that's how I judge him.

[Sheldon312]

You can bring up race if you want, but that's my top 5. And GG's resume isn't great, it's good. He stepped up his comp as of late. it's no fault of his own that his resume isn't greater than what it is, and that's how I judge him.

But how does Crawford, GGG, and Thurman have a better resume.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

And I don't have a problem with that. I loved watching Monzon fight. I saw him live. He could truly fight. Monzon beat some other tough MW's, but both Hagler and Monzon faced great smaller fighters who gave them great fights.

A good MW will always beat a good WW most say. They say a good big man always beats a good smaller man. But a great WW is more than capable of beating a great MW and vice versa and history has shown us this. GG would've gotten full credit from me had he beaten Canelo, but he didn't. At least imo.

Completely agree, the fact that this thread is somewhat dismissing Hagler's resume is laughable. Take a guy like Tommy Hearns, regardless of what weight division he started in, Hearns was a 6ft 1 freakishly built killer. He'd give any MW in history a tough night. Are people realistically suggesting Hagler should've jumped up to 175 and fought Spinks to "Challenge Himself", that's nonsense.

The only thing I disagree on is Canelo-GGG😂😂. I had it 116-112 GGG on the night but I can see a draw. I watched it back and scored it 115-113 GGG. Scoring is all subjective anyway though.

[buddyr]

but it was Ok for duran a small LW with short arms to move up 25 lbs to fight hagler but hagler could not move up 15 lbs to LH

hold up, Duran jumped from lw to mw? damn that's news to me. I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. All this time I had it wrong.

[TBear]

Ironically most of Hagler's critics were not born yet while he was fighting.

[BennyST]

Keep in mind I didn't start watching boxing until like 2010. So, I don't know that much about the 80's.

Jesus H...Blessed ignorance at its finest.

[djtmal]

srl, is a top ten, bonafide, atg at any weight, and hagler didn't challenge himself...

close this thread please

[New England]

If you remember, nobody called for Marvin to do anything. Thats not how the industry worked then. By the time people even knew who he was he was getting matched with smaller guys moving up which is the topic at hand. The MW division was dead, the best fighters were at smaller weights.

Don't care about Ring Magazine and I definitely don't give a **** asś about press row. IBF had champs in 84' and the WBC was the last to get involved with SRL back in 88' with the WBA skirting them not long before.

Moral of the story is there is a lot of misinformation about what was happening when Hagler was around. 154 and 168 were divisions when Hagler was Boxing, the end.

The current super middleweight division traces its beginning to 1984, when Murray Sutherland defeated Ernie Singletary for the International Boxing Federation version of the title.

The World Boxing Association created its version of the super middleweight title when reigning Lineal champion Chong Pal Park defeated Jesus Gallardo in 1987 (Park had been IBF champion before relinquishing the title to fight for the inaugural WBA version).

The World Boxing Council crowned its first champion in 1988 when Sugar Ray Leonard defeated Donny Lalonde in a fight that was also for its version of the light heavyweight title.

ring magazine was the authority on rankings at the time. there were no better rankings available anywhere in boxing. they had the best writers form a panel and rate fighters. wasn't owned by GBP, wasn't the side show it was today, it was ring magazine, the bible of boxing. if you didn't get ring magazine during its prime you were either destitute [nothing wrong with not being able to afford something,] or didn't care enough about boxing to get what was BY FAR its best publication and the only way to get a decent ratings system month after month.


again, the bible of boxing didn't even rank 168 lbers during any point in hagler's career. and you wanted him to leave MW to go there ?

i try not to waste my time on bscene, but i think i just did

[McNulty]

again, the bible of boxing didn't even rank 168 lbers during any point in hagler's career. and you wanted him to leave MW to go there ?

i try not to waste my time on bscene, but i think i just did

Maybe you shouldn't waste your time because you obviously have a problem reading.

Stick to what I said, not to what I didn't say and what you thought I said. That's a good start.