Comments Thread For: Arum: Mayweather Does NOT Deserve 50-0 For McGregor Win!

[kushking]

JCC fought a grand total of 24 professional fights against current/former world champions out of his 115 professional fights.

Floyd Mayweather also fought 24 professional fights against current/former world champions but that was in 49 professional fights.

You do the simple math here and decide on so called cherry picking. It appears that one of them was cherry picking champions and the other one was fighting cherry pickers.

Coincidentally, JCC's faced his first current/former world champion opponent in his 47th professional fight and it was none other than Floyd Mayweather's uncle....Roger Mayweather.

There's a big difference in fighting 4,5,6x a yr against anyone regardless of style & size advantage & picking whoever you want specifically to suit your style,which is why floyd rarely faced southpaws, & only fought come forward 1 dimensional fighters in easily 80% or more of his fights. And your so mistaken about his career as you leave out that he had 115 fights 107 wins 6Ls 86 kos 2 draws,& that after roger mayweather he had 68 fights more vs literally the very best,& he didn't cherrypick anyone I dont know where you get that nonsense from,he didn't become huge until he kod macho camacho the biggest name at the time, as I keep saying he fought literally EVERYONE there was to fight back to back to back,there wasnt a single fighter he ducked but plenty ducked him 4 yrs. Of course he had 46 wins vs many unknowns in mexico like most fighters from there.

You cant compare mayweather to him in anything but skill, mayweathers resume should be forced to answer to the many asterisks he created by his own doing,using every conceivable advantage,& fighting most his yrs in the era of fake alphabet titles & padded hypejob resumes.

[kushking]

Bottom Line I grew up watching chavez snr fight,he was the ultimate fighter imo as for many yrs you hardly ever seen him step backwards,some call that being limited but I consider it amazing,he had 86 kos ffs,thats insane,as a fan of Boxing regardless of fighters color there is absolutely nobody I consider more entertaining to watch than Snr,I know ggg copied his style entirely at Sanchezs behest,but to me he can never come close as he has no head movement whatsoever,& has cherrypicked til age 34,& has nowhere near the skill as snr despite being much much bigger.

I always used to hate fishnets back then & only respected snr/barrera/morales/gonzalez etc as mexican fighters because fishnets was a runner.
Mayweather is an insanely skilled fighter let nobody be mistaken Im saying otherwise,apples to oranges doe,I just prefer snr as I knew in every fight he would go to war

[Mr. Luthor]

There's a big difference in fighting 4,5,6x a yr against anyone regardless of style & size advantage & picking whoever you want specifically to suit your style,which is why floyd rarely faced southpaws, & only fought come forward 1 dimensional fighters in easily 80% or more of his fights. And your so mistaken about his career as you leave out that he had 115 fights 107 wins 6Ls 86 kos 2 draws,& that after roger mayweather he had 68 fights more vs literally the very best,& he didn't cherrypick anyone I dont know where you get that nonsense from,he didn't become huge until he kod macho camacho the biggest name at the time, as I keep saying he fought literally EVERYONE there was to fight back to back to back,there wasnt a single fighter he ducked but plenty ducked him 4 yrs. Of course he had 46 wins vs many unknowns in mexico like most fighters from there.

You cant compare mayweather to him in anything but skill, mayweathers resume should be forced to answer to the many asterisks he created by his own doing,using every conceivable advantage,& fighting most his yrs in the era of fake alphabet titles & padded hypejob resumes.

JCC resume is padded with no names and extremely inferior competition. Mayweather's resume is overwhelmed with boxers that were either current world champions or former world champions.

JCC needed to fight often because he wasn't making the money that Mayweather was/is making.

Fighting as often as JCC did is proof positive of the level of many of his opponents because it's not possible to find top opponents 6 times a year.

JCC held "alphabet" titles from the WBC, WBA and the IBF. Although he didn't hold a WBO title, he certainly could have because the WBO has been part of the alphabet since 1988.

JCC is an icon but let's pump the brakes a little.

[Ray*]

why do people keep acting like 50 is some holy grail number holy ***.. if he fought an extra bum before fighting genaro hernandez hed be 50-0 by now, who cares

He could fight any bum at 147 and be 50-0.

[Eff Pandas]

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But the point is, this really SHOULD be called just a exhibition match, not a full blown fight on either guy's record. Just like it shouldn't add to McGregor's MMA fight record, it shouldn't add to Floydie's boxing record.

Floyd Patterson, 32-1 (23), who was making his 2nd HW title defense fought Pete Rademacher, who was making his pro debut, back in the day. Should that be retroactively turned into an exhibition?

[PunchyPotorff]

Floyd Patterson, 32-1 (23), who was making his 2nd HW title defense fought Pete Rademacher, who was making his pro debut, back in the day. Should that be retroactively turned into an exhibition?

I'm sure you're aware that back then fighters often fought once a month. Do we know anything about what HWs were available to fight? And BTW, Rademacher had just won the gold medal at the Olympics the year before. So the situations weren't similar at all with the McGregor/Floydie fight.

[Eff Pandas]

I'm sure you're aware that back then fighters often fought once a month. Do we know anything about what HWs were available to fight?

Are you suggesting no one was available for a title fight except a guy without a pro fight in the whole HW division? Like everyone in the top ten, the top twenty & on down til a guy with no fights made the most sense? LOL that seems like a odd defense & a bit of a stretch in logic that I can't even waste time looking into, but if you wanna show me that the top ten, at a minimum, was occupied or injured or just unavailable feel free to. Til then I'll just consider it a odd theory from your stance.

And BTW, Rademacher had just won the gold medal at the Olympics the year before. So the situations weren't similar at all with the McGregor/Floydie fight.

Oh I know who he was. McGregor is the first UFC guy to hold two titles at once as you are likely also aware. I can see the angle for or against both guys in fighting the guys they did/or are about to fight. I was mainly curious if you would make Patterson's 0-0 opponent HW title defense in the same lane as Floyd's comeback fight vs a 0-0 guy.0

[djtmal]

Floyd never quit like Chavez Sr.

Sr had more clowns on his resume than Wringling Bros.

....talk about clowns, how about that victor ortiz...keeps both hands at his side, & gets sucker punched 2X and ko'd by a fighter who hadn't had even a tko in years...

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
I'm sure you're aware that back then fighters often fought once a month. Do we know anything about what HWs were available to fight?
Are you suggesting no one was available for a title fight except a guy without a pro fight in the whole HW division? Like everyone in the top ten, the top twenty & on down til a guy with no fights made the most sense? LOL that seems like a odd defense & a bit of a stretch in logic that I can't even waste time looking into, but if you wanna show me that the top ten, at a minimum, was occupied or injured or just unavailable feel free to. Til then I'll just consider it a odd theory from your stance.

Are you suggesting no one was available for a title fight except a guy without a pro fight in the whole HW division? Like everyone in the top ten, the top twenty & on down til a guy with no fights made the most sense? LOL that seems like a odd defense & a bit of a stretch in logic that I can't even waste time looking into, but if you wanna show me that the top ten, at a minimum, was occupied or injured or just unavailable feel free to. Til then I'll just consider it a odd theory from your stance.

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And BTW, Rademacher had just won the gold medal at the Olympics the year before. So the situations weren't similar at all with the McGregor/Floydie fight.

Oh I know who he was. McGregor is the first UFC guy to hold two titles at once as you are likely also aware. I can see the angle for or against both guys in fighting the guys they did/or are about to fight. I was mainly curious if you would make Patterson's 0-0 opponent HW title defense in the same lane as Floyd's comeback fight vs a 0-0 guy.0

Rademacher had just won the gold medal at the Olympics the year before. That in itself holds more merit than McGregor who has done zero actual boxing. But you go right ahead and grandstand your OPINION. Meanwhile I'll stick by my OPINION. Whether you like it or not.

[Eff Pandas]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
I'm sure you're aware that back then fighters often fought once a month. Do we know anything about what HWs were available to fight?
Are you suggesting no one was available for a title fight except a guy without a pro fight in the whole HW division? Like everyone in the top ten, the top twenty & on down til a guy with no fights made the most sense? LOL that seems like a odd defense & a bit of a stretch in logic that I can't even waste time looking into, but if you wanna show me that the top ten, at a minimum, was occupied or injured or just unavailable feel free to. Til then I'll just consider it a odd theory from your stance.



Rademacher had just won the gold medal at the Olympics the year before. That in itself holds more merit than McGregor who has done zero actual boxing. But you go right ahead and grandstand your OPINION. Meanwhile I'll stick by my OPINION. Whether you like it or not.

I got no opinion per se, I was just curious of your stance on something I see as more or less the same thing.

I think both moves are a little crazy, but made sense. You seem like the guy who says this guy over here doing something makes sense to you & this guy over here doing virtually the same thing doesn't. Thats all I'm calling you out on. Olympic medal or 2 UFC titles make lil difference to me. Its still a guy with no pro fights fighting a guy they probably shouldn't be fighting but if it makes money it makes sense in boxing.