Floyd Mayweather vs. Vasyl Lomachenko @ 130.

[IronDanHamza]

You all started crying about weight after the fight, he was outboxing rigo badly and barely getting hit. He made him look like a novice but gets no credit for it now. My point is u guys make out floyd is superman and can never lose these match ups yet weve basically seen him lose at a similar weight to a fighter who was never p4p number 1. Look at the responses, people makjng it out as if hed beat the crap out of 'lomafraud' as if hes not on his level lol, gtfoh.....

Nah, wrong. Loads of people addressed the obvious weight issue before the fight.

I still give Lomachenko credit for the win but to ignore the fact he jumped up two weights is silly.

It's like giving Floyd full credit for beating Marquez or Monzon full credit for beating Napoles. Silly.

Ok and Lomachenko actually did lose to a past it Salido so what's your point?

It's not out of the realms of possibility that he could beat Floyd but the logic you are using is void of sound logic.

[The Big Dunn]

You all started crying about weight after the fight, he was outboxing rigo badly and barely getting hit. He made him look like a novice but gets no credit for it now. My point is u guys make out floyd is superman and can never lose these match ups yet weve basically seen him lose at a similar weight to a fighter who was never p4p number 1. Look at the responses, people makjng it out as if hed beat the crap out of 'lomafraud' as if hes not on his level lol, gtfoh.....

Floyd is undefeated dramashow, you haven't seen him lose You are saying he lost because you don't like him-the same thing you say about people that have Canelo or Jacobs beating GGG.

[Madison Boxing]

Asking you to make a valid argument isn't getting defensive. It is conceivable but you are trying to hide the real reason you are picking Loma. Your rationale is completely bogus and people see right thru it.

Even if you think they compare offensively, at 130 Floyd has shown considerable more power than Loma and is MUCH better defensively. How does Loma overcome an opponent who would be younger, bigger, longer arms, faster and his equal or superior as a boxer?

Loma was the much bigger man against Rigo, a point you made when I brought up Crawford/Loma potential fight. If you can see why Loma would be at a distinct disadvantage against Crawford you should be able to see same regrading Loma v Rigo.

Can u be quiet for a moment whilst the grown ups talk boxing?

[The Big Dunn]

Can u be quiet for a moment whilst the grown ups talk boxing?

Can you be honest about why you are picking Loma or come up with fake rationale other than "I am picking Loma because Floyd fans think highly of Floyd".

[BirdSong]

ill take the money over the matrix, u cant spend the matrix in shops

[Tony Trick-Pony]

This just proves you dont know sht. How can you question if Castillo is a hall of famer but don't even know who he beat? Have you even watched Castillo fight before?



He's beaten other champions in Corrales, Cassamayor, Johnston, Diaz, etc. That's a great resume, add that with consistently being one of the top lightweights for years.

And you post on a boxing forum?????

Pathetic

You just said he beat Corrales and then you had to repeat it.

Cassamayor? Yeah, what a world beater. Haha. Marquez was a much smaller man and beat Cassamayor down to the mat.

Johnson? Eh.

Diaz? Really?

What else you got?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Being (arguably) the best Lightweight of his era is pretty weak?

You even had to put in arguably because you're not so sure and what era? An era where he's the best lightweight and still loses in the rematch to Floyd?

You're better than that McDonad's idiot. Just stop.

[IronDanHamza]

You even had to put in arguably because you're not so sure and what era? An era where he's the best lightweight and still loses in the rematch to Floyd?

You're better than that McDonad's idiot. Just stop.

IMO he's the best of the last era but I'd concede it's open for debate.

The last era, 00-10.

You say loses a rematch to Floyd like that is some reason to not be ranked highly? He lost to Floyd twice though. If you consider the first one a W for him then he HAS to be HOF calibur.

[IronDanHamza]

You just said he beat Corrales and then you had to repeat it.

Cassamayor? Yeah, what a world beater. Haha. Marquez was a much smaller man and beat Cassamayor down to the mat.

Johnson? Eh.

Diaz? Really?

What else you got?

You know Casamayor and Johnston were top quality fighters?

Johnston was on the P4P list if my memory serves me correct.

Both top top level fighters.

And Castillo beat Casamayor in his prime unlike Marquez. No shame losing to Marquez regardless.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

How is that vauge?

Castillo was Lineal at 135 and one of, if not the best Lightweight's of his era.

He beat Corrales, Johnston, Casamayor, Lazcano, Bazan, Diaz who were all ranked at the top of the division.

Loads of top fighters were sparring partners of others. ****** criticism.

Okay, let's take a good look. Shall we?

Castillo was 18-0 with no real names on his resume at that point. No big deal. Most guys don't. Good deal. Good start.

Then he gets stopped in two rounds by Cesar Soto. No exactly signs of greatness. But hey, let's not write him off. Pac had early losses too. It's all good.

He beats a couple of stiffs and then takes on a guy named Javier Juaregui. Ever heard of him? I know I haven't. His 29-5-1 record doesn't exactly inspire big expectations. Well he stops Castillo though in ten rounds. Once again, Castillo fails to win the Mexican featherweight title. The Mexican title.

Castillo beats a few more guys who are basically cans and then he gets another shot at Juaregi. Oops. Stopped in the tenth round again. And again, for the Mexican title.

Not looking good so far.

Has a string of nine wins against soft touches. Then he steps up against a guy named Julio Alvarez(hey he's an Alvarez and so he must be great right?). Oops. Once again, Castillo is stopped in the tenth round. Alvarez was 18-4.

Castillo beats through another string of five cans and then he faces Jorge Paez. Okay, not too bad. Paez is a former champion and a name. However, that's about it, considering that DLH stopped this guy in two rounds five years before this. But hey. Castillo wins the prestigious IBA Super Featherweight Title.

Okay, now he beats Steve Quinonez. Decent fighter. Decent win. Not bad.

Then he steps in with Stevie Johnston and eeks out a majority decision to capture the WBC title. Excellent! However, you have to wonder about Castillo beating Johnston was the upset of the year. I'm thinking no one took Castillo seriously at all. But still, great win.

Then he draws with Johnston in the rematch. Okay, a draw is not a win but you know. He keeps the belt.

Then he beats Cesar Bazan and Seung Ho Yuh. Good wins. Not great, but good.

Then he beats veteran Fred Ladd and journeyman Juan Angel Macias in non-title fights in Mexico.

Then, ah, the feather in his cap. He loses a close fight to Mayweather which most fans believe he won. Can't knock that one.

After beating up 43-40 Verdell Smith, he takes on Mayweather again but is clearly beaten soundly this time. Not good.

He beats a few no-hopers and then beats Juan Lazcano and regains his now vacant WBC title. Then he beats Casamayor by razor-thin decision. Not bad. Not great.

Then he defends against Diaz and wins in impressive fashion. Not bad. Pretty good win.

Then he engages in the unification fight with Corrales which proves to be an instant classic. However, at the end of the day, he does get stopped. And let's point out that if every good involved in a great fight gets into the hall, it's going to be a very weak hall. By this logic, you have to put Micky Ward in.

Moving on.

He gets the rematch with Corrales and beats him clearly in four rounds. Good win.

He beats Rolando Reyes and then earns a razor-thin decision over Hermann Ngoudjo for a shot in a WBC Super Lightweight Title eliminator.

Castillo faces a top flight opponent in 42-0 Ricky Hatton. Now we're talking. Only, Castillo is wiped out in four rounds.

Ah, damn.

From here, he goes 11-5 for the remainder of his career, facing Jorge Paez, Jr in a loss and Ruslan Provodnikov in another loss and Alfonso Gomez in yet another loss.

Now let's review. Castillo finishes with a tally of 66-13-1(57 KOs). Now 57 KOs is impressive and I don't care who you're knocking out, which is a good thing because he had about what? 3 significant KOs and the rest were subpar? Still, I like the KO ratio. Castillo could ****.

Castillo held one world title in one division, unless you count the IBA Super Feathrweight title which I just couldn't bring myself to do. Is the IBA still even in existence? He did hold that title twice though, defending it three times in his first reign and twice in the second reign. Hhmm.

8 of Castillo's losses came by stoppage or KO as well. I mean, it's really hard to find an argument here. Obviously Castillo was considered a journeyman or gatekeeper type before beating Johnston. I think he basically goes down as a guy who achieved more than most thought he would but by no means was he great or deserved to be alongside guys like Chavez, Sr. and Duran for being a great lightweight or the supposed best of his era which must have been a very short era.

Good career, but not even close to great.