Comments Thread For: Mikey Garcia Feels Lomachenko Clash Could Become PPV Clash

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On Saturday night at the Microsoft Theater in Los Angeles, WBO super featherweight champion Vasyl Lomachenko (9-1, 7 KOs) scored two knockdowns and eventually stopped Miguel Marriaga (25-3) in seven rounds for a TKO win. Marriaga was dominated, went down in the third and the seventh, and the Colombian's corner stopped the contest at the conclusion of the seventh.
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[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Hope not, Hell not this fight is not PPV status type of fight just a very good fight.

But the only way it probably gets done is PPV

[Boxing Logic]

Are you ****ing serious? Neither of these guys have ever A-side headlined a card that's sold more than 10,000 seats -- in fact both of them sell closer to just a few thousand -- and yet Mikey is already talking about making this a PPV fight?

And how many decades are fans supposed to wait for this fight to happen for Mikey and Loma to go from selling 3,000 tickets when they fight to becoming PPV stars?

Hey Mikey how about this, how about you stop cherry picking guys and actually fight some elite opponents for once, then maybe after you beat a few, hardcore fans will actually start to talk about you to their casual fan friends, and casual fans might become interested in you, and you might become a pay-per-view star. But for you to retire for 3 years before becoming known at all, come back and only fight three cherry picked opponents, and act like you'll soon deserve to be on PPV, or hint that you will only fight the elite opponents if it's on PPV eventually, is everything that is wrong with boxing!

Oh and how come Mikey is willing to fight Danny Garcia, or apparently even Keith Thurman, on regular TV, but Lomachenko has to be PPV? Lomachenko isn't even as well known as Danny Garcia right now, so why would Garcia-DSG be on Showtime but Loma-Garcia has to be PPV?

This is starting to look more and more like a duck by Mikey. It's kind of strange that he would duck a junior lightweight, but be willing to fight welterweights, but if you look at his career so far, it does seem like moving weight classes doesn't bother him nearly as much as fighting top opponents does. So for example, if he was willing to fight Errol Spence on regular TV, but not Lomachenko, that would be really weird, but for him to be willing to face only Danny Garcia at 147, but not Loma at Junior Lightweight or Errol Spence at welterweight, that actually fits the pattern of his career. Elite opponents scare him, not jumping weight classes. After all, the Oxnard team with his brother has always been elite at cutting weight and rehydrating their fighters, from Victor Ortiz to Marcos Maidana to Brandon Rios and now Mikey Garcia. That is what they do.

Now I know Mikey has also mentioned fighting Thurman at 147, or Crawford at 140, but maybe that's all talk. Because he also used to talk about fighting Lomachenko at 135 soon, and his brother even talked about doing it this December, but now here he is talking about marinating it into a PPV fight instead. So I bet we'll eventually find out it's the same situation with his call outs of Thurman and Crawford. He's willing to fight the slower, less threatening opponents on non-PPV, like Broner and Danny Garcia, but the elite ones, he will only fight if he gets PPV money.

Sorry but, seeing as he is years away from pay-per-view, and Lomachenko might be even further away given that he's not Mexican, I consider this a duck. How can you retire for almost three years, fight a much bigger name than you like Broner and still fail to sell out Barclays, but talk about pay-per-view with a Ukrainian opponent who can barely speak English? Are you ****ing kidding me? You are both almost 30 years old, you are both peaking right now, so make the damn fight, and if it's a good fight, the rematch can be on pay-per-view a few years from now. If it's not a good fight, then a bad fight never deserved to be on pay-per-view anyway, but guess what, if you get the win even in a bad fight, then your future fights become even more significant as you build yourself into a pound-for-pound star off wins like that, and then those fights can become legitimate pay-per-views.

But right now Mikey is trying to play the New Age boxing game of never having a single significant fight off of per-per-view. Just fighting bums and cherry picked opponents to build his name and maybe finally become known to enough fans off of those performances by the time he's 35 to finally fight a top opponent on PPV, only for the hype to have died down for the fight by then because both of them look less spectacular at that point, leading to poor PPV sales and a wasted career.

Look at GGG-Jacobs. Look how bad those numbers were. And GGG is a way bigger star than either Mikey or Lomachenko.

Look at Kovalev-Ward both fights. Awful PPV sales, and both of them are more well known than Mikey and Lom are.

Crawford-Postol...

Man, just make this ****ing fight already. On normal TV. Neither of these guys are close to being PPV stars. They need some fights like these, in front of the largest audience possible, to make themselves PPV stars. Can't believe Mikey even went there man. Some bull**** for real.

[Andrij]

I agree with Klimas. This fight has to be build one more year then both are bigger names and it will be PPV worthy. Also during that time Loma can beat Rigondeaux, then win WBO Lightweight title and unify against Garcia. Makes much more sense to wait one more year.

[Eff Pandas]

Is that REALLLLLLLLLLY a PPV fight? Broner is a bigger draw than Loma is like that reality or not. And Mikey didn't suddenly blow up off of the Broner W. This has ESPN or Showtime fight written all over it...or 200k/max PPV buys written all over it.

And what exactly is the f#cking point of a 200k buy PPV? Sure okay thats $7M-ish coming back to the fighters & promoters, but isn't there more upside long term in having 5x (via Showtime, 1M+ viewers) to 20x (via ESPN, 4M+) the viewers watching this fun ass competitive fight? Or am I crazy or something? These mfers always prematurely PPVing cats.

[Eff Pandas]

I agree with Klimas. This fight has to be build one more year then both are bigger names and it will be PPV worthy.

This PPV stuff is wayyyyy simpler than these money grabbing mfers wanna try to make it out to be. Its either a PPV now or its not. No fan with a f#cking brain wants to wait a year to see a fight. Fight now on ESPN. It'll be HUGE. It'll boost up the Top Rank ESPN product with a fight like this. And if its that f#cking good they'll build up each other & the rematch can be on PPV.

This fight would do 200k/max right now & it'd do maybe 250k-300k/max in a year. I mean does anyone really give a f#ck about that extra $3.5M a year from now they could make off that extra 100k buys???? I suggest they shouldn't cuz they could be fighting on ESPN later this year to 4M-5M fans & if Loma walks away the winner maybe he can flip to a PPV in his next fight to some 300k+ buy type number off of all the fans he gained from this fun fight that people got to see for free.

[HughJass]

Neither fighter generates big enough numbers to have it as a ppv fight

[glenn mcrory]

Are you ****ing serious? Neither of these guys have ever A-side headlined a card that's sold more than 10,000 seats -- in fact both of them sell closer to just a few thousand -- and yet Mikey is already talking about making this a PPV fight?

And how many decades are fans supposed to wait for this fight to happen for Mikey and Loma to go from selling 3,000 tickets when they fight to becoming PPV stars?

Hey Mikey how about this, how about you stop cherry picking guys and actually fight some elite opponents for once, then maybe after you beat a few, hardcore fans will actually start to talk about you to their casual fan friends, and casual fans might become interested in you, and you might become a pay-per-view star. But for you to retire for 3 years before becoming known at all, come back and only fight three cherry picked opponents, and act like you'll soon deserve to be on PPV, or hint that you will only fight the elite opponents if it's on PPV eventually, is everything that is wrong with boxing!

Oh and how come Mikey is willing to fight Danny Garcia, or apparently even Keith Thurman, on regular TV, but Lomachenko has to be PPV? Lomachenko isn't even as well known as Danny Garcia right now, so why would Garcia-DSG be on Showtime but Loma-Garcia has to be PPV?

This is starting to look more and more like a duck by Mikey. It's kind of strange that he would duck a junior lightweight, but be willing to fight welterweights, but if you look at his career so far, it does seem like moving weight classes doesn't bother him nearly as much as fighting top opponents does. So for example, if he was willing to fight Errol Spence on regular TV, but not Lomachenko, that would be really weird, but for him to be willing to face only Danny Garcia at 147, but not Loma at Junior Lightweight or Errol Spence at welterweight, that actually fits the pattern of his career. Elite opponents scare him, not jumping weight classes. After all, the Oxnard team with his brother has always been elite at cutting weight and rehydrating their fighters, from Victor Ortiz to Marcos Maidana to Brandon Rios and now Mikey Garcia. That is what they do.

Now I know Mikey has also mentioned fighting Thurman at 147, or Crawford at 140, but maybe that's all talk. Because he also used to talk about fighting Lomachenko at 135 soon, and his brother even talked about doing it this December, but now here he is talking about marinating it into a PPV fight instead. So I bet we'll eventually find out it's the same situation with his call outs of Thurman and Crawford. He's willing to fight the slower, less threatening opponents on non-PPV, like Broner and Danny Garcia, but the elite ones, he will only fight if he gets PPV money.

Sorry but, seeing as he is years away from pay-per-view, and Lomachenko might be even further away given that he's not Mexican, I consider this a duck. How can you retire for almost three years, fight a much bigger name than you like Broner and still fail to sell out Barclays, but talk about pay-per-view with a Ukrainian opponent who can barely speak English? Are you ****ing kidding me? You are both almost 30 years old, you are both peaking right now, so make the damn fight, and if it's a good fight, the rematch can be on pay-per-view a few years from now. If it's not a good fight, then a bad fight never deserved to be on pay-per-view anyway, but guess what, if you get the win even in a bad fight, then your future fights become even more significant as you build yourself into a pound-for-pound star off wins like that, and then those fights can become legitimate pay-per-views.

But right now Mikey is trying to play the New Age boxing game of never having a single significant fight off of per-per-view. Just fighting bums and cherry picked opponents to build his name and maybe finally become known to enough fans off of those performances by the time he's 35 to finally fight a top opponent on PPV, only for the hype to have died down for the fight by then because both of them look less spectacular at that point, leading to poor PPV sales and a wasted career.

Look at GGG-Jacobs. Look how bad those numbers were. And GGG is a way bigger star than either Mikey or Lomachenko.

Look at Kovalev-Ward both fights. Awful PPV sales, and both of them are more well known than Mikey and Lom are.

Crawford-Postol...

Man, just make this ****ing fight already. On normal TV. Neither of these guys are close to being PPV stars. They need some fights like these, in front of the largest audience possible, to make themselves PPV stars. Can't believe Mikey even went there man. Some bull**** for real.

You sound angry. And resentful.

You can't complain about Mikey's opposition without attacking Lomachenko's. Mikey's resume is better and he's looked far better overall against them. Double standards are funny that way. Perhaps this is false bravado to make it look like you want the fight. Its not working.

Funny how you complain about Garcia "cherrypicking" guys like Broner and D. Garcia, both of which are better than any of Lomachenko's opponents. The funny thing is you give Garcia more credit than Lomachenko without even realizing it. These are considered cherrypicks by Garcia but you are perfectly content with Lomachenko's opposition. Thank you for admitting who you think is better.

[Andrij]

This PPV stuff is wayyyyy simpler than these money grabbing mfers wanna try to make it out to be. Its either a PPV now or its not. No fan with a f#cking brain wants to wait a year to see a fight. Fight now on ESPN. It'll be HUGE. It'll boost up the Top Rank ESPN product with a fight like this. And if its that f#cking good they'll build up each other & the rematch can be on PPV.

This fight would do 200k/max right now & it'd do maybe 250k-300k/max in a year. I mean does anyone really give a f#ck about that extra $3.5M a year from now they could make off that extra 100k buys???? I suggest they shouldn't cuz they could be fighting on ESPN later this year to 4M-5M fans & if Loma walks away the winner maybe he can flip to a PPV in his next fight to some 300k+ buy type number off of all the fans he gained from this fun fight that people got to see for free.

Ok then lets wait until July 2018. But Loma has to win the WBO Lightweight title in spring in order to unify with Garcia. A Unification bout makes more sense.

[-PBP-]

Are you ****ing serious? Neither of these guys have ever A-side headlined a card that's sold more than 10,000 seats -- in fact both of them sell closer to just a few thousand -- and yet Mikey is already talking about making this a PPV fight?

And how many decades are fans supposed to wait for this fight to happen for Mikey and Loma to go from selling 3,000 tickets when they fight to becoming PPV stars?

Hey Mikey how about this, how about you stop cherry picking guys and actually fight some elite opponents for once, then maybe after you beat a few, hardcore fans will actually start to talk about you to their casual fan friends, and casual fans might become interested in you, and you might become a pay-per-view star. But for you to retire for 3 years before becoming known at all, come back and only fight three cherry picked opponents, and act like you'll soon deserve to be on PPV, or hint that you will only fight the elite opponents if it's on PPV eventually, is everything that is wrong with boxing!

Oh and how come Mikey is willing to fight Danny Garcia, or apparently even Keith Thurman, on regular TV, but Lomachenko has to be PPV? Lomachenko isn't even as well known as Danny Garcia right now, so why would Garcia-DSG be on Showtime but Loma-Garcia has to be PPV?

This is starting to look more and more like a duck by Mikey. It's kind of strange that he would duck a junior lightweight, but be willing to fight welterweights, but if you look at his career so far, it does seem like moving weight classes doesn't bother him nearly as much as fighting top opponents does. So for example, if he was willing to fight Errol Spence on regular TV, but not Lomachenko, that would be really weird, but for him to be willing to face only Danny Garcia at 147, but not Loma at Junior Lightweight or Errol Spence at welterweight, that actually fits the pattern of his career. Elite opponents scare him, not jumping weight classes. After all, the Oxnard team with his brother has always been elite at cutting weight and rehydrating their fighters, from Victor Ortiz to Marcos Maidana to Brandon Rios and now Mikey Garcia. That is what they do.

Now I know Mikey has also mentioned fighting Thurman at 147, or Crawford at 140, but maybe that's all talk. Because he also used to talk about fighting Lomachenko at 135 soon, and his brother even talked about doing it this December, but now here he is talking about marinating it into a PPV fight instead. So I bet we'll eventually find out it's the same situation with his call outs of Thurman and Crawford. He's willing to fight the slower, less threatening opponents on non-PPV, like Broner and Danny Garcia, but the elite ones, he will only fight if he gets PPV money.

Sorry but, seeing as he is years away from pay-per-view, and Lomachenko might be even further away given that he's not Mexican, I consider this a duck. How can you retire for almost three years, fight a much bigger name than you like Broner and still fail to sell out Barclays, but talk about pay-per-view with a Ukrainian opponent who can barely speak English? Are you ****ing kidding me? You are both almost 30 years old, you are both peaking right now, so make the damn fight, and if it's a good fight, the rematch can be on pay-per-view a few years from now. If it's not a good fight, then a bad fight never deserved to be on pay-per-view anyway, but guess what, if you get the win even in a bad fight, then your future fights become even more significant as you build yourself into a pound-for-pound star off wins like that, and then those fights can become legitimate pay-per-views.

But right now Mikey is trying to play the New Age boxing game of never having a single significant fight off of per-per-view. Just fighting bums and cherry picked opponents to build his name and maybe finally become known to enough fans off of those performances by the time he's 35 to finally fight a top opponent on PPV, only for the hype to have died down for the fight by then because both of them look less spectacular at that point, leading to poor PPV sales and a wasted career.

Look at GGG-Jacobs. Look how bad those numbers were. And GGG is a way bigger star than either Mikey or Lomachenko.

Look at Kovalev-Ward both fights. Awful PPV sales, and both of them are more well known than Mikey and Lom are.

Crawford-Postol...

Man, just make this ****ing fight already. On normal TV. Neither of these guys are close to being PPV stars. They need some fights like these, in front of the largest audience possible, to make themselves PPV stars. Can't believe Mikey even went there man. Some bull**** for real.

Holy shi*!!!!!!!!