Does TBE deserve to beat Marcianos record?

[boliodogs]

Absolutely not. If he wants to really beat Marciano's record the right way he needs to beat a champion boxer or a top contender boxer. Marciano's fights were all against pro boxers, not wrestlers or kick boxers. Marciano's last fight was a KO over the great Archie Moore. That's just my opinion on the matter. If others wish to recognize a Mayweather win over Conor as the win that breaks Marciano's record it's their right to do so. There are no written down rules on breaking Marciano's record. The Mayweather vs Conor fight is a pro boxing match so if Mayweather wins his record as a pro boxer goes to 50 wins and no losses and he breaks Marciano's record on paper. My common sense tells me Mayweather needs to beat a better opponent to rightfully claim to have broken Marciano's famous record.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

And Floyd never fought an elite in their prime. Not to mention the gifts he got to remain undefeated. Castillo I was the most obvious of them all.

Lmao you shouldn't even comment after this. Elite is matter of opinion. How was Hatton not elite after knocking out Kostya Tszyu and Castillo?

[GhostofDempsey]

Wasn't the main reason Rocky retired was cuz he was getting effed over by his manager?

That was one reason, but that was over some $10K kickback to his manager that was shaved off the purse of one of his fights. He was also struggling with injuries he sustained early in his career--ruptured disc in his back and elbow.

I do believe that the HW division start to get deeper when he chose to retire. Not only was Patterson and Liston coming up but a young Cleveland Williams and Zora Folley too.

What makes Marciano so special that someone has to deserve to beat his record?

He came into the sport late, had about a dozen amateur fights. He was about 5'10", 185 fighting much bigger opponents. He was resilient, had a granite chin, great stamina, and could pack a punch. Not a graceful boxer like Louis or Ali, but efficient.

[boliodogs]

Chavez 87-0

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You are right. If Chavez had retired at 87-0 he would have blown Marciano's record out of the water and boxers would have to win 88 fights with no losses to beat Chavez's record. It seems unfair to me that Chavez isn't the record holder because he didn't retire then. Marciano, Mayweather and Chavez are all great but I recognize Chavez as the real record holder at 87 wins and no losses.

[TheBigLug]

These whole "record" things are nonsense anyway.

As people have said, 49-0 has been smashed already, just because Chavez eventually lost doesn't change that. In no other sport to you get stripped of a "record" because you eventually lose.

If Calzaghe had took a few more fights against a few more average opponents and a guy making his debut who doesn't box, he would have beaten 49-0 too. So what?

In the end you will be judged on things other than an undefeated record. There's fighters with plenty of losses held in higher regard than Mayweather.

I actually think Floyd has a great resume and a great career. He's great because of that, not because he will retire 50-0 and break some record that's doesn't even exist really.

[boliodogs]

That was one reason, but that was over some $10K kickback to his manager that was shaved off the purse of one of his fights. He was also struggling with injuries he sustained early in his career--ruptured disc in his back and elbow.

I do believe that the HW division start to get deeper when he chose to retire. Not only was Patterson and Liston coming up but a young Cleveland Williams and Zora Folley too.



He came into the sport late, had about a dozen amateur fights. He was about 5'10", 185 fighting much bigger opponents. He was resilient, had a granite chin, great stamina, and could pack a punch. Not a graceful boxer like Louis or Ali, but efficient.

Pound for pound Marciano was fantastic. I have seen pictures of him weighting in the morning of his fight at 184 pounds in street clothes after breakfast. He was no bigger if as big as today's light heavyweights who weigh 190 or so on fight night. Both Charles and Moore outweighed him a pound or two when he knocked them out.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

That was one reason, but that was over some $10K kickback to his manager that was shaved off the purse of one of his fights. He was also struggling with injuries he sustained early in his career--ruptured disc in his back and elbow.

I do believe that the HW division start to get deeper when he chose to retire. Not only was Pattevrson and Liston coming up but a young Cleveland Williams and Zora Folley too.



He came into the sport late, had about a dozen amateur fights. He was about 5'10", 185 fighting much bigger opponents. He was resilient, had a granite chin, great stamina, and could pack a punch. Not a graceful boxer like Louis or Ali, but efficient.

I respect Marciano just like I respect Floyd. I do wish he would of face Thurman for the 50th fight instead.

[TonyGe]

Absolutely not. If he wants to really beat Marciano's record the right way he needs to beat a champion boxer or a top contender boxer. Marciano's fights were all against pro boxers, not wrestlers or kick boxers. Marciano's last fight was a KO over the great Archie Moore. That's just my opinion on the matter. If others wish to recognize a Mayweather win over Conor as the win that breaks Marciano's record it's their right to do so. There are no written down rules on breaking Marciano's record. The Mayweather vs Conor fight is a pro boxing match so if Mayweather wins his record as a pro boxer goes to 50 wins and no losses and he breaks Marciano's record on paper. My common sense tells me Mayweather needs to beat a better opponent to rightfully claim to have broken Marciano's famous record.

Almost all of the long winning streaks are in the lower weight classes. 49-0 is remarkable in the heavyweight division.

[TonyGe]

You are right. If Chavez had retired at 87-0 he would have blown Marciano's record out of the water and boxers would have to win 88 fights with no losses to beat Chavez's record. It seems unfair to me that Chavez isn't the record holder because he didn't retire then. Marciano, Mayweather and Chavez are all great but I recognize Chavez as the real record holder at 87 wins and no losses.

Your exactly right. What he did was incredible.

[Xi_]

Floyd was greater than Marciano when he was 39-0.