Does TBE deserve to beat Marcianos record?

[GhostofDempsey]

Corrales, hatton, Marquez all prime p4p fighters and floyd started ducking after cotto.

And really Castillo? You didn't see that boy get embarrassed in the rematch?

Who cares about the rematch, fact is, Floyd got a gift in their first fight that would have taken his "0".

Corrales, Hatton are not elite level fighters. Marquez was certainly not at his best and had to come up two weight classes for a catchweight that Floyd didn't even make.

[Madison Boxing]

i dont count this as a proper fight so he ends his career as 49-0 in my view.

[Madison Boxing]

Corrales, hatton, Marquez all prime p4p fighters and floyd started ducking after cotto.

And really Castillo? You didn't see that boy get embarrassed in the rematch?

if embarrassed means losing 115-113, 115-113, 116-113 and hbo scoring it 115-113 to mayweather, with castillo outlanding him by 30 power shots, then yeah i guess castillo got embarrassed in the rematch.

[Larry the boss]

Chavez 87-0

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retire undefeated..RETIRE UNDEFEATED..why is that so hard to understand?

[Beercules]

Charlie Z is 160-0 and moved up ti HW to fight Wilder.

[Joe Beamish]

I'm more impressed by guys who keep fighting the best opponents in their prime. I'm not impressed by anyone's 49-0 or 50-0.

Rocky and Floyd have some things in common. Neither guy ever faced a great boxer in his prime.

[Eff Pandas]

I don't even know why retiring undefeated carries so much weight when you consider several other fighters throughout history have gone undefeated for 70, 80 fights or more (JCC) until they suffered a loss. Duran only had one loss in his first 73 fights. Harry Greb went 45-0 in one year, and did it fighting three different weight classes that included about a half dozen hall of famers. Now that is an achievement, one that will never be repeated.

They didn't retire undefeated doe. They just had nice stretches of time without losing. Having a completely perfect record, no L's, no draws, no no contests or no no decisions is kinda a sexy concept when a guy has done it at the elite level of the sport like Rocky & Floyd.

That said for a sport where so few guys care about stats it does seem weird guys are so hyped for this stat record out of all the stat records one could be exited about, like the stuff you bring up,. And its not even a Floyd thing. This 49-0 thing has been a HUGE thing since I first heard about it. Its damn near a mythical sorta thing & has been since Rocky retired.

Personally I don't give a sh^t about many boxing records per se & this one is no different. And I'm gonna l o f#cking l when some Thailand 108lb guy no one gives a f#ck about butt****s this 49-0 thing or I guess 50-0 thing later this month by going 74-0 before retiring & I don't gotta listen to this Rocky & Floyd bs with the perfect record that people keep ******* off over.

[GhostofDempsey]

They didn't retire undefeated doe. They just had nice stretches of time without losing. Having a completely perfect record, no L's, no draws, no no contests or no no decisions is kinda a sexy concept when a guy has done it at the elite level of the sport like Rocky & Floyd.

That said for a sport where so few guys care about stats it does seem weird guys are so hyped for this stat record out of all the stat records one could be exited about, like the stuff you bring up,. And its not even a Floyd thing. This 49-0 thing has been a HUGE thing since I first heard about it. Its damn near a mythical sorta thing & has been since Rocky retired.

Personally I don't give a sh^t about many boxing records per se & this one is no different. And I'm gonna l o f#cking l when some Thailand 108lb guy no one gives a f#ck about butt****s this 49-0 thing or I guess 50-0 thing later this month by going 74-0 before retiring & I don't gotta listen to this Rocky & Floyd bs with the perfect record that people keep ******* off over.

I remember when Larry Holmes was on his way to tying and beating Marciano's record and Spinx came on as a spoiler. Larry was outraged. Thing is, he wouldn't have stopped at 50-0, as he went on to lose more fights afterward.

Rocky took a lot of criticism for fighting guys like Louis and Walcott past their prime, or Charles who was never the same after he killed a guy in the ring. Many suspect he retired early because he didn't want to fight up and coming opponents such as Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston. So while I understand the aura surrounding an undefeated record, it doesn't carry as much weight as someone who took on all comers at their best and carved out a successful career with only a small handful of losses.

Calzaghe retired undefeated, but most fans won't consider him the best 168 lb. fighter of all time. I still reserve that distinction for Jones Jr. even though he lost to Joe when he was well past his prime.

[Eff Pandas]

I remember when Larry Holmes was on his way to tying and beating Marciano's record and Spinx came on as a spoiler. Larry was outraged. Thing is, he wouldn't have stopped at 50-0, as he went on to lose more fights afterward.

Yea if Larry would have kept fighting & retired undefeated without coming back we might not even be hearing all this perfect record bs.

Rocky took a lot of criticism for fighting guys like Louis and Walcott past their prime, or Charles who was never the same after he killed a guy in the ring. Many suspect he retired early because he didn't want to fight up and coming opponents such as Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston. So while I understand the aura surrounding an undefeated record, it doesn't carry as much weight as someone who took on all comers at their best and carved out a successful career with only a small handful of losses.

Wasn't the main reason Rocky retired was cuz he was getting effed over by his manager?

Calzaghe retired undefeated, but most fans won't consider him the best 168 lb. fighter of all time. I still reserve that distinction for Jones Jr. even though he lost to Joe when he was well past his prime.

Thats kinda par for the course. I don't think anyone (or many cats anyway, cuz there are always crazies who think all sorta crazy sh^t) considers Rocky the best HW or Floyd the best WW. Although I think you could probably argue a lot of US boxing fans consider UK boxing kinda like the JV squad football team, in particular during most of the time Joe was active vs nowadays when I think more US cats got a higher opinion of UK boxing...rightly or wrongly, so might hold Joe's perfect record in lesser record + he's a few fights lower then Rocky + Floyd so he's a distance 2nd all else being equal.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

What makes Marciano so special that someone has to deserve to beat his record?