Worse 4 weight world champ than AB ?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Are the New England Patriots the Super Bowl champions or are they just trophy holders?

There's only one Superbowl every year and one winner which = champion.

There are four belts in each division all the time= four belt holders. How can you be a champion with 3 other guys who claim the same thing?

He's right. They are belt holders. If they ever got to one tile, that's a champion.

[asgarth]

going by wikipedia:

(at least) 4 divisional champs:

Hearns
Leonard
Duran

Whitaker
Leo Gamez
Roy Jones

Mayweather, Pacquiao, Morales, Arce, Donaire, Marquez, Cotto, Broner. Gonzalez

Cant comment on Gamez, dont know anything about him. The only guy probably who had weaker accomplishments to get to 4 divisional belts is Arce.

[N/A]

There's only one Superbowl every year and one winner which = champion.

There's only one Super Bowl, but there are plenty of other bowls (Arena, Sugar, etc). The champion of each bowl is the champion of that particular bowl. To label them "trophy holders" because they're not the champion of every bowl is petty and silly.

There are four belts in each division all the time= four belt holders. How can you be a champion with 3 other guys who claim the same thing?

There are a lot more than four belts. There may be a hundred or more belts in each division. But you don't have to be the only champion to be a champion. The WBC champion is the WBC champion. The WBO champion is the WBO champion. They aren't claiming the same thing. One is claiming to be the champion of the WBC and the other is claiming to be the champion of the WBO.

The problem is that the media tried to become social engineers instead of just doing their job. So while they pretended that the names of the organizations were irrelevant, it made it much easier for promoters to just prop up a new organization since the public wasn't going to know the difference anyway.

He's right. They are belt holders. If they ever got to one tile, that's a champion.

That's not how words work. The IBF champion is the IBF champion. They are no more a "holder" than the champion of any other organization. Will the winners of the hockey playoffs only be referred to as "cup holders" instead of champions? It's idiotic.

[iamboxing]

Broner is clearly the worst boxer to ever win a title in 4 different weight divisions imo, i don't know what you're on about ?

He won his world titles via vacant belts, he got gift decisions agaisnt ponce de leon and paulie so....yeah

he's only saying that to make his hero look good

[Johnny Rubber]

lmfao how ****** is that statement. Worse 4 Division champion?

Lol haters love to hate.

It's not a ****** question. If you look at Broners overall record and who he beat to get the titles then Demarco is probably his best win.

Every time he steps up the legacy competition he gets beaten. He was out-muscled by Chino, out-willed by Porter and out-boxed by Mikey, so quite a few "problems" to take into account.

Maybe a fight with Khan would be interesting though.

[BodiesInFlight]

he's only saying that to make his hero look good

I wondered what his angle was for defending Broner

[Tony Trick-Pony]

There's only one Super Bowl, but there are plenty of other bowls (Arena, Sugar, etc). The champion of each bowl is the champion of that particular bowl. To label them "trophy holders" because they're not the champion of every bowl is petty and silly.




There are a lot more than four belts. There may be a hundred or more belts in each division. But you don't have to be the only champion to be a champion. The WBC champion is the WBC champion. The WBO champion is the WBO champion. They aren't claiming the same thing. One is claiming to be the champion of the WBC and the other is claiming to be the champion of the WBO.

The problem is that the media tried to become social engineers instead of just doing their job. So while they pretended that the names of the organizations were irrelevant, it made it much easier for promoters to just prop up a new organization since the public wasn't going to know the difference anyway.




That's not how words work. The IBF champion is the IBF champion. They are no more a "holder" than the champion of any other organization. Will the winners of the hockey playoffs only be referred to as "cup holders" instead of champions? It's idiotic.

Is this Original Zero's alt?

Haha. Because he is the only one who gets so technical about this crap.

It's this simple. NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL play all season long to get to one final championship at the end of each season. The winner they crown is the champion of that organization period, plain and simple. There may be other bowl games but the NFL champion for each year is the one team who won the what? Superbowl. Super bowl winner= champion for the year, written in stone. End of story.

Boxing on the other hand, is made up of many organizations like you say with four mainly recognized organizations. Now when a guy wins one of those, he is the IBF champion, WBC champion, etc. But when someone asks you who the welterweight champion is? I would say Keith Thurman is the champion while the other two guys hold belt at that weight. Simple enough to understand right? Just like Andre Ward is the light heavyweight champion and Adonis Stevenson hold the WBC title. Thankfully, the winner of Crawford-Indongo will truly be undisputed which is the first case we've seen of this in a while.

In closing, this sport is so ridiculous with its titles that to ask who is the champion of any division takes way too long to explain. They definitely need organization. And calling anybody who holds one organization's belts a belt holder has no shame in it whatsoever. Who's the champ? Well this guy holds this belt and that guy holds that one...

F that.

If there's a unified champion, he's the champion of that class. If the belts are all split up, that division doesn't have a champion, but really just four belt holders. They hold the belts but have no claim to being the best there. It's a really ****ty era for the sport with this buffoonery.

[N/A]

Is this Original Zero's alt?

Three of us, one with ties to the WBC, one with ties to the WBA and one with ties to the IBF, have shut down our accounts and will be posting jointly under this account. None of us will be posting under any other accounts.

It's this simple. NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL play all season long to get to one final championship at the end of each season. The winner they crown is the champion of that organization period, plain and simple.

Boxing is no different, the world just doesn't agree on one league being head and shoulders above all others. There are basketball leagues all over the world. The Warriors are the NBA champions, but there are champions of many other leagues. Refusing to call the Warriors champions and relegating them to "trophy holder" is a semantic exercise that is childish and pointless.

A fighter often spends years, or their entire career, climbing the ranks of one of boxing's major leagues. They may win a WBC youth championship early in their career. Then stepping up to win the United States championship. Followed by the Continental Americas championship before a big step up to try to become North American champion. Eventually challenging for the International championship and then targeting the Silver championship to become mandatory to the WBC world champion.

Just as the Warriors play a regular season, try to win the division championship, then the conference championship, before challenging for the NBA world championship. A journalist's job is to report the facts. Not hide the facts as a noble but misguided attempt at social engineering. Boxing is in a very screwed up situation and the media and the networks deserve a fair share of the blame. We would have never ended up with four major leagues if the media and networks weren't trying to hide what the leagues were.

Boxing on the other hand, is made up of many organizations like you say with four mainly recognized organizations. Now when a guy wins one of those, he is the IBF champion, WBC champion, etc. But when someone asks you who the welterweight champion is? I would say Keith Thurman is the champion while the other two guys hold belt at that weight. Simple enough to understand right?

You're chasing a fantasy that has never existed and what you seek becomes more achievable through honesty and acceptance. If someone asks who the welterweight champion is, the response is simple; the welterweight champion of what? Boxing does not have one clear cut premier league head and shoulders above all others. If I ask you who the futbol champion is, you would ask, the champion of what? The World Cup? The Olympics? The Champions League? The Premier League? Etc.

If we can start being honest about what the fighters are actually the champion of, we can put some pressure on promoters and networks to stop recognizing four organizations. The WBO is not a world league. It's an Arum/Warren league. All boxing fans would benefit from the derecognition of the WBO. Pretending that it's a world title has just made it too easy for Arum & Warren to hide their fighters while still claiming "world championship" fights are on their cards.

[Madison Boxing]

there isnt one

[Beercules]

Remember Gavin Rees or whatever the hell his name is landing in slick Broner