Kellerman on PEDs

**Vegemil** · 07-27-2017, 10:23 AM

I always knew he was juicing the way he could easily overpower me.

**Mike D** · 07-27-2017, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Vegemil

I always knew he was juicing the way he could easily overpower me.

So that's where Max got the herpes then

**_Maxi** · 07-27-2017, 10:26 AM

He obviously doesn't trust floyd lol. And the others aswell.

**Vegemil** · 07-27-2017, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Mike D

So that's where Max got the herpes then

Other way around my good man. He'd always come to my house and ask to wrestle with no pajama bottoms on.

**SugarRayCurtain** · 07-27-2017, 10:29 AM

when your proffessional requires you to be the best physical specimen you can be you'd have to be an idiot not to do drugs.

**BoxingIsGreat** · 07-27-2017, 10:41 AM

Max himself is on drugs, and I don't mean peds!

**Metho_4u** · 07-27-2017, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Mike D

"Let's put it this way...I think a very high percentage of modern athletes are cheating. I think a very high percentage of older athletes (boxers) were cheating at different weights. Including some of the people who accuse others of cheating."

@ 4:50

What are the board's thoughts on such a statement? Let's say for debate's sake, how many fighters out of every ten (not just boxing but combat sports in general, so let's include MMA on this) at the top level are either A) using currently and have utilized ways to beat the system, or B) have used at some point in the past

What do y'all think the ratio is at the highest level?

There was several MMA fighters who had claimed it was in the 90% range of users in their sport

**Mike D** · 07-27-2017, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Metho_4u

There was several MMA fighters who had claimed it was in the 90% range of users in their sport

You know...I don't wanna sound like an apologist for PED users -- and I'm not just talking boxing, but in professional sports across the board -- when you're talking potentially millions of dollars at stake...I can see why and how it would/could heavily intrigue a professional athlete.

Let's face it, at the end of the day, for the vast majority of professional athletes, it ain't about the glory or the legacy. It's about money. And we're talking literally millions of dollars that separate guys at the top levels of their sport from the lower levels.

For instance, if you're a backup offensive lineman in the NFL, you may only be making a million a year. But a starter? A good one? That guy may be making literally ten times as much as the guy riding the bench.

I mean if PEDs were the edge one needed to be the difference between 5 to 10 million a year, versus 750K to 1 mil a year...that would be awfully tempting, wouldn't it?

**Pretty Boy32** · 07-27-2017, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Mike D

"Let's put it this way...I think a very high percentage of modern athletes are cheating. I think a very high percentage of older athletes (boxers) were cheating at different weights. Including some of the people who accuse others of cheating."

@ 4:50

What are the board's thoughts on such a statement? Let's say for debate's sake, how many fighters out of every ten (not just boxing but combat sports in general, so let's include MMA on this) at the top level are either A) using currently and have utilized ways to beat the system, or B) have used at some point in the past

What do y'all think the ratio is at the highest level?

I've never seen him be so blunt on such a sensitive topic. He is very right though, all sports (not just boxing) are rampedent with cheaters.

I believe Pacquiao has used PED's in the past 100%

Kellerman on PEDs