Comments Thread For: Amanda Serrano is Latest To Consider a Jump To MMA

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What I'm saying is I don't think the interest is there to begin with. Thats why she's making a mill or whatever a fight in Germany(?) or wherever & perfectly happy doing just that & only that probably. I don't think she's ever had a fight that was shown on a US platform & if it was it was a long time ago so I'm sure she sees lil point in trying to prop up something that never helped her get where she's at.



I'd argue female MMA got popular cuz these girls are pretty, its almost hilarious to watch the girls they pick outta Invicta vs the ones they leave in that MMA female league & there is a clear bias towards pretty with a nice shape to them & look sexy in those tight shorts (yay for camel toe) & are still pretty f#cking deadly with the option of submitting each other cuz fans like to see fights that end early.

That was the business model for making womans MMA popular (fair enough there is Cyborg, but she's the exception, not the rule).

Meanwhile female boxers can't break a overripe watermelon with their punch. They usually aren't that pretty. And they wear these big bulky ass trunks to hide much of their shape. Its a lil harder for boxing to copycat what MMA has done to the level its done.

And women generally don't like sports as much as men thus they aren't a faithful fanbase to draw from. Combat sports has to appeal to men & any combat sports fan who enjoys both sports will tell you the MMA world has done a better job packaging their product with its natural +'s, as mentioned, then boxing has.

Plus there is always the problem of the talent pool of female combat sports. The UFC has a created high level talent pool that they control & can force fights between the elite ladies & provide a competitive environment despite the limited talent pool. Boxing on the other hand has too much free market capitalism going on so the top ladies seldom met in a timely fashion & in that way female boxing suffers like male boxing suffers.

I believe they can make female boxing more popular, but it'll be seldom where a female fight commands as much attention as a popular prospect fight vs a decent top 40, top 50 type opponent so the glass ceiling in female boxing is very real & will be for the foreseeable future. All the while right now womans MMA has been able to inflate the appeal of their sport by selling attraction, sexy, stoppages & competition which are things womans boxing lacks in & certain lacks in its ability to bring those attributes to fans on a regular basis like MMA, the UFC in particular, is able to do.

Will agree to disagree, I guess. The UFC has definitely done a good job in picking talent (clearly defaulting to the prettier talent when possible) from the smaller leagues, but that wouldn't have been possible had Gina Carano and Ronda Rousey helped prove that there was money to be made.

Showtime seems to be taking that first chance; Claressa Shields is getting her second headlining fight on ShoBox, the fight is for a title, and the onus is on her and Dmitry Salita to help gin up the tickets in her home market. Lou DiBella has Amanda Serrano and Heather Hardy (who aren't bad looking women; stalled by NY basically killing the small shows), and Floyd has Latondria Jones and Sarah Marshall (both attractive, with Marshall being a possible opponent for Shields at some point).

The matchups won't be all great (understatement of the month), but if Showtime stays committed, and the pay regularly gets to that $10k-$30k plus sponsors/tickets for fights that get to ShoBox (or bouts on the undercards for other fights), female boxing emerges as a viable way to make a living, and talent will take note of that.

Women's MMA wasn't supposed to be a thing either; with a little commitment, fans got use to seeing it, fans started relating to the fighters, and the stage was set for it to explode once the right fighter came along.

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The fact that Heather Hardy got more in her MMA Debut than she did in any fight her entire career tells you all you need to know. Women's MMA will be the death knell of women's boxing.

... Heather Hardy's MMA debut literally took place on arguably the biggest show that Bellator MMA has ever put on, from her home market, in one of the featured fights on SpikeTV. lol

Heather Hardy has been looking for opportunities, and the biggest one so far was the Shelly Vincent fight, from Coney Island, that was featured on NBCSN.

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The UFC has definitely done a good job in picking talent (clearly defaulting to the prettier talent when possible) from the smaller leagues, but that wouldn't have been possible had Gina Carano and Ronda Rousey helped prove that there was money to be made.

Showtime seems to be taking that first chance; Claressa Shields is getting her second headlining fight on ShoBox, the fight is for a title, and the onus is on her and Dmitry Salita to help gin up the tickets in her home market. Lou DiBella has Amanda Serrano and Heather Hardy (who aren't bad looking women; stalled by NY basically killing the small shows), and Floyd has Latondria Jones and Sarah Marshall (both attractive, with Marshall being a possible opponent for Shields at some point).

No question the Gina era (2007-2009) & Ronda era (2012-2015) has heavily impacted female MMA to where it is now as a much more serious & competitive world in the UFC, but the thing is boxing had the Christy Martin era (90's) & the Laila Ali era (00's) & couldn't transition that high point of a female boxing match PPV into anything that lasted.

The UFC & MMA in general has learned, grown & improved along with the fighters themselves to make female MMA a viable product.

I don't see that same concerted effort in boxing by anyone. In fact I think boxing used up Martin & Ali for as long as they could & didn't give a f#ck about female boxing as a sport just a money grab. And now I think boxing sees the popularity of this viable product MMA has created & is trying to build off of MMA's success more then they believe in their own product.

The matchups won't be all great (understatement of the month), but if Showtime stays committed, and the pay regularly gets to that $10k-$30k plus sponsors/tickets for fights that get to ShoBox (or bouts on the undercards for other fights), female boxing emerges as a viable way to make a living, and talent will take note of that.

Women's MMA wasn't supposed to be a thing either; with a little commitment, fans got use to seeing it, fans started relating to the fighters, and the stage was set for it to explode once the right fighter came along.

Well it'll take a long time to build it up & the fans will need to turn around their current stance on female boxing. I just don't see anyone that loves female boxing really while guys & girls talked about female MMA back in the day (even if a nice % of it was just how they thought so & so was sexy or f#ckable) & there was a legit grassroots fandom for that product that MMA & eventually the UFC hijacked more than anything else.

It'll be interesting to watch what happens with this cuz its hard to disagree Shields & Taylor don't have star potential for their accomplishments, but I ultimately think they are gonna be like the guy who's good at Jeopardy in a world that loves watching reality shows & they will never catch fire. Agree to disagree I guess like you said & regardless of what either one of us think in a few years it'll be a reexaminably topic to see what they've done right or wrong.