Comments Thread For: Wilder's Manager Concerned That Stiverne Missed His Drug Test

[hitking]

The Povetkin situation really has no meaning for me . Trace amounts of what was once not a banned substance ,where Wilder and co, quickly left town before even letting anything hit the ground . The levels found in Povetkin were below what was considered illegal anyway . The entire situation was handled by incompetence .

Wheather you think Wilder should have taken the fight or not is of opinion . I believe the fight could have been rescheduled ,but Wilder wanted the $$$ without the risk . If im Champion and believe 100% i win ,i take that fight period ,end of discussion !

At least you can see Wilder needs to step it up where most his fans wear beer goggles on here !

You sound kinda like the folks that blamed Floyd for Manny not wanting to participate in stricter testing. Regardless of what you felt Floyd's motives were. A clean athlete shouldn't have any issues with any type testing.

Same holds true with the Wilder-Povetkin situation. Fighters know what they can and can't use. It's not about what they used, how long it's been banned, or how much was found. It's about having as level a playing field as possible. Povetkin compromised that by using a banned substance. Wilder shouldn't be criticized for not wanting to fight a guy that may have given himself a competitive advantage by using a banned substance.

[juggernaut666]

You sound kinda like the folks that blamed Floyd for Manny not wanting to participate in stricter testing. Regardless of what you felt Floyd's motives were. A clean athlete shouldn't have any issues with any type testing.

Same holds true with the Wilder-Povetkin situation. Fighters know what they can and can't use. It's not about what they used, how long it's been banned, or how much was found. It's about having as level a playing field as possible. Povetkin compromised that by using a banned substance. Wilder shouldn't be criticized for not wanting to fight a guy that may have given himself a competitive advantage by using a banned substance.

This was proven untrue where the Meldonium could still be in ones system ,certainly traces of it wont do anything anyway ...thats a sighn its still in the blood stream . Yoyu cant use the EVEN playing field argument .

If Wilder injested coffee which boosts awreness and stimulates adrenaline and Povetkin didnt before the fight are you going to call Wilder a cheater ?

If 90% of boxers take creatine and 10% dont are they cheating or using a PROVEN supplement that helps athletes and its legal? Was Meldonium illegal a fight prior to the Wilder situation ,yes or no ?

Not sure what Pacmans refusal to take certain tests involve a Meldonium comparison !

[Ake-Dawg]

"YOU implied that the presence of the trace amounts was happenstance, and no big deal. "

I didnt imply anything the RULES and what was LEGAL did . Just more irrational fanboyism on your part.

You do realize that Povetkin tested clean multiple times after January 2016 before testing positive in Apr 2016. The sanctioning bodies did not accept the medical excuse/reasoning for the clean to dirty to clean tests and Povetkin was suspended and sued. Why did this happen? Because the rules said that Povetkin shouldn't have meldonium in his system and logic says that it shouldn't reappear in subsequent testing by the same lab.

Sad when your only recourse in a discussion is to call someone a fan boy. It shows your limitations regarding knowledge of the sport as well as your bias. That plus your lack of acceptance that your opinion is just that...an opinion and doesn't carry a right or wrong label.

[Ake-Dawg]

This was proven untrue where the Meldonium could still be in ones system ,certainly traces of it wont do anything anyway ...thats a sighn its still in the blood stream.

Maybe you can explain the science behind Povetkins clean tests prior to his dirty tests. If you can maybe you can get Povetkin mando status back as well as Raybinsky $5M.

[Raggamuffin]

If Wilder is so trash, then why are these guys taking PED's, finding trace amounts of PED's in their system, and missing tests? He's the glass jaw windmiller right? What are they afraid of? Losing to a Windmill-er?

[N/A]

Haymon has signed Ortiz. Makes complete sense to have two of his guys fighting for the title -- he collects a share from both ends and regardless of who wins he still has the WBC title in his stable.

Ortiz is Joshua's mandatory and Haymon, if patient, could get Joshua stripped next year.

So Wilder vs. Ortiz on the surface doesn't make complete sense for Haymon. However, if Stiverne is removed from the ratings for missing a drug test, since Klitschko is unavailable, Ortiz could be declared WBC mandatory.

In which case, Wilder vs. Ortiz starts to make more sense. Especially if Haymon and Hearn are working in concert to unify the WBC, WBA and IBF next year.

But unless Haymon and Hearn have a deal to make Joshua vs. the Wilder-Ortiz winner next year, it doesn't make complete sense to let Hearn off the hook on that WBA mandatory.

Until we know the situation with Stiverne's missed drug test and what the ramifications are going to be, it's hard to make sense of this mess.

[Raggamuffin]

You do realize that Povetkin tested clean multiple times after January 2016 before testing positive in Apr 2016. The sanctioning bodies did not accept the medical excuse/reasoning for the clean to dirty to clean tests and Povetkin was suspended and sued. Why did this happen? Because the rules said that Povetkin shouldn't have meldonium in his system and logic says that it shouldn't reappear in subsequent testing by the same lab.

Sad when your only recourse in a discussion is to call someone a fan boy. It shows your limitations regarding knowledge of the sport as well as your bias. That plus your lack of acceptance that your opinion is just that...an opinion and doesn't carry a right or wrong label.

Exactly and well said.

[Snoop Frog]

It's too bad the governing bodies in boxing don't issue longer bans than what they do now. A six month ban fits right into most elites' schedules. They really need bans of 18 months or longer to really hurt these guys in the pocketbooks.

[Guest]

Be interesting to see if there is any policy on this from the sanctioning org.

It's hard to imagine Stiverne taking step aside. He's never going to get this kind of money or this kind of chance again. I don't think he's gonna be bought for cheap since this is his only shot. He damn near lost his last fight I don't think he's going to step aside and wait longer.

I think it's terrible that he was made mando for basically waiting other people out but that's where we are.

[Derranged]

Good, this fight sucks to begin with and there's no need for it.