Comments Thread For: Wilder's Manager Concerned That Stiverne Missed His Drug Test

[juggernaut666]

I consider myself somewhat of a Wilder fan. I live in Nashville. So there's not a lot of big time boxing within a three hour drive around here. So I've been to more Wilder fights than I probably should have considering his level of competition. I actually attended Wilder's pro debut. It was here in Nashville on the Taylor-Lacy undercard.

That said, I'm far from blind. I've been annoyed with Wilder's level of competition almost from jump. He pretty much fought nobody the first 25-30 fights of his career. They used the excuse that he was late to the sport, which is true, to an extent. The guy won an Olympic bronze medal. Late to the sport or not. An Olympic medalist shouldn't need 20 club fighters to get his feet wet. And since winning the belt against Stiverne, it's been pretty bad. Now I don't place all the blame on Wilder. The thing with Provetkin wasn't his fault. But Provetkin isn't the only good heavyweight out there to fight. This Ortiz thing is definitely a step in the right direction. Outside of AJ, Fury, or Wladimir, I think it's the best fight out there for him. Honestly, I'd rather he drop the belt and fight Ortiz than have to see another Stiverne fight.

Lets not forget Povetkin was a mandatory fight . Wilder hasnt even fought a mandatory (i wont count Stiverne lol ) I'll believe the Ortiz fight when they actually step in the ring ,no excuses like cancelations with injurys , i had to feed my cat etc !

Personally believe Joshua will be his FIRST live opponent .Ortiz is great for us not so much for Haymon if Wilder loses .

[MaksBox]

as much as i hate stiverne(which is alot), some of yall comments are getting out of hand. after joshua, wilder, wlad, and ortiz, a case can be made that bermane stiverne (as inactive as he is) is the 5th best heavyweight in the world today. remember stiverne lost to a 6ft 7 man with a 84 inch reach and 97%ko ratio. if parker was in the ring with stiverne, parker would get floored in 7rds

Really think to yourself "wilder is understandable, but why would alexander povetkin feel the need to take steroids leading up to a fight against bermane stiverne?". there was obviously something about stiverne that made povetkin feel like he needed a extra boost or extra edge and lead to him taking roids.

Before talking, you should probably get facts straight too. Only one taking steroids was Ortiz. Povetkin did not take steroids. He had in his system a drug that was legal at the time and in either case, in such miniscule amounts that it was within the margin of error. 3 sanctioning bodies see reasoning and reinstated him.

[juggernaut666]

as much as i hate stiverne(which is alot), some of yall comments are getting out of hand. after joshua, wilder, wlad, and ortiz, a case can be made that bermane stiverne (as inactive as he is) is the 5th best heavyweight in the world today. remember stiverne lost to a 6ft 7 man with a 84 inch reach and 97%ko ratio. if parker was in the ring with stiverne, parker would get floored in 7rds

Really think to yourself "wilder is understandable, but why would alexander povetkin feel the need to take steroids leading up to a fight against bermane stiverne?". there was obviously something about stiverne that made povetkin feel like he needed a extra boost or extra edge and lead to him taking roids.

So the FIFTH best HW in the world is inactive now for TWO years ,got DROPPED by Derrick Rossey in a contraversial win ,recently busted for illegal fat burners bc he cant get to a ideal weight and his best win is shot Arreola in 15 years or so as a pro !

Makes perfect sense ,i'll be sure to adjust my rankings now !

[hitking]

Lets not forget Povetkin was a mandatory fight . Wilder hasnt even fought a mandatory (i wont count Stiverne lol ) I'll believe the Ortiz fight when they actually step in the ring ,no excuses like cancelations with injurys , i had to feed my cat etc !

Personally believe Joshua will be his FIRST live opponent .Ortiz is great for us not so much for Haymon if Wilder loses .

I don't see how people blame Wilder for the Provetkin thing. Other than that, he needs to step it up.

[1hourRun]

Before talking, you should probably get facts straight too. Only one taking steroids was Ortiz. Povetkin did not take steroids. He had in his system a drug that was legal at the time and in either case, in such miniscule amounts that it was within the margin of error. 3 sanctioning bodies see reasoning and reinstated him.

That was the first test whats the excuse for the second violation after he was given a second chance by facing Stiverne in a eliminator?

[juggernaut666]

I don't see how people blame Wilder for the Provetkin thing. Other than that, he needs to step it up.

The Povetkin situation really has no meaning for me . Trace amounts of what was once not a banned substance ,where Wilder and co, quickly left town before even letting anything hit the ground . The levels found in Povetkin were below what was considered illegal anyway . The entire situation was handled by incompetence .

Wheather you think Wilder should have taken the fight or not is of opinion . I believe the fight could have been rescheduled ,but Wilder wanted the $$$ without the risk . If im Champion and believe 100% i win ,i take that fight period ,end of discussion !

At least you can see Wilder needs to step it up where most his fans wear beer goggles on here !

[Bronx2245]

Is it just me, or does this seem too convenient? I mean, the timing of this is a little suspect, to say the least! I'm hoping Stiverne takes the step aside, but I don't want to see the WBC (VADA) slander the man, just to make Wilder vs. Ortiz! I really don't want to see Wilder vs. Stiverne, but damn, c'mon son! We already have the WBO giving boxing a bad look with Pacquiao, we have the WBA "Super" and "Regular" champs, WTF? This year has been one the best, thus far! DON'T FUMBLE ON THE ONE!

[Deus]

Pedvetkin has been suspended by the WBC! the WBA-WBO-IBF are the sanctioning bodies that have ignored his drugs violations in reinstating him into their rankings even handing him minor titles for his last fight!, you know I mentioned uninformed fans in this very same thread and then you come out with this ****** comment...wtf?

Just because the other sanctioning bodies are bad doesn't mean the WBC are any better... they're all as bad as each other.

If Stiverne missed his drug test and didn't take a new one within a period of a few hours he should be stripped of his mandatory status so we can have a Wilder v Ortiz fight.

Likelihood is though that won't be the case, not when Don King is involved.

[1hourRun]

Just because the other sanctioning bodies are bad doesn't mean the WBC are any better... they're all as bad as each other.

If Stiverne missed his drug test and didn't take a new one within a period of a few hours he should be stripped of his mandatory status so we can have a Wilder v Ortiz fight.

Likelihood is though that won't be the case, not when Don King is involved.

Not on its policy on drugs, the World Boxing Council is a pioneer in this field. I see to many fans crying around here quick to degrade boxing but when the sanctioning bodies do something good these same crybabies are silent. "peeleft:

[Ake-Dawg]

Why are they concerned about Stiverne when supposed to be fighting Ortiz? And why is Breazeale even being mentioned? Getting in an argument at a hotel doesn't make it a good fight.

Beat me too it ...lol

The many gullible ppl on here are going to be very disappointed when the SUPPOSED Ortiz fight doesn't happen and becomes just another Wilder scheme to make it look like hes trying to fight someone of relevance .

Stiverne 2 is coming and Haymon wont let Ortiz near Wilder unless that is a last option .

Talking about Stiverne because he is still mando and refuses step aside. The question posed is how the missed test will affect the mando spot. Deas was ASKED about a potential Brezeale fight based on the PED history of Ortiz. Essentially asking if Ortiz refuses VADA would Wilder fight Brezeale.

I think Wilder thinks he can beat Ortiz and essentially force Joshua to fight him in lieu of mandos.