Name all the fighters from Floyds era

[richardt]

Well I think it's a bit unfair for you say Floyd had the better JWW resume, when Cotto clearly had the better resume.

I also think it's a bit unfair for Cotto to get docked for literally fighting guys Floyd refused to fight. I also think it's unfair to dock Cotto for continuing to fight past 2007 instead of retiring after his victory over Mosley.

Again, at the end of 2007 when they were supposed to fight, Cotto had the better WW resume. In addition, it's unfair to dock Cotto for fighting the best when Floyd refused to fight the guys Cotto fought; instead he retired.

1. Floyd would not fight Margarito. Cotto fought Margarito in 2008. Floyd retired in 2007.

2. Whether I agree with it or not, Cotto fought Pacquiao without any drug tests. Mayweather wouldn't fight Pacquiao without drug tests.

So Cotto should get knocked for fighting Margarito in 2008 when Floyd had opportunities since 2005 to fight Margarito?

Did Cotto ask for 20 million to fight Margarito? No.

Did Cotto ask for unlimited drug tests to fight Pacquiao? No.

Did Cotto retire for 2 1/2 years when the WW division was the hottest? No

Did Cotto go 4 years without fighting a top WW? No

Wrong or right, Did Cotto say he won't fight Pac unless there's random drug testing? No

Did Floyd do the above? Yes.

So why are we knocking Cotto for playing the game and congratulating Floyd for sitting the bench?

The fact that you talk about a point at 147 when Floyd retired for a while and other junk, shows you cannot be objective - and random drug testing??? If you think that has a bearing on era and ATG status, you are hopelessly pathetic. ATG's are rated by collective analysis and no one is dumb enough to add up things that have no bearing on ATG rating and only show an irrelevant bias. Anyone can talk about titles and opponents but then you have to place values on every opponent, every title, and how many titles, wins, losses, rounds won and lost and yet Floyds name is STILL at the top. But it takes none of those mathematical equations and evaluations to figure out who was the best. It is simpler than that. Name the PFP highest ranked fighter for x number of years and who is ranked higher on the ATG. Not to mention the fact that Floyd not only beat Cotto, he beat two guys who beat Cotto. It is not even arguable whose name is the highest on the list of PFP for the highest number of years and highest ranked in the ATG status. Dude, logoff, you are done here.

[Chollo Vista]

In 2007 he fought Oscar who was a top 5 154 fighter and Hatton who was the lineal champ at 140

so in 3 fights he beat

Baldo-lineal 147 champ

Oscar #3 154 WBC champ

Hatton-Lineal 140 champ


He basically beat 3 divisons top fighters

1. Oscar was NOT the top guy at 154.

2. Floyd didn't fight ONE Top WW from 2006-2010.

3. Floyd fought Hatton at 147 which is different than fighting him at 140. Hatton was 1-2 as a Welterweight and was almost stopped by Collazo before he even fought Floyd.

Just see for yourself @ 55:00



Hatton's only other fight at 147 ended like this

[Chollo Vista]

The fact that you talk about a point at 147 when Floyd retired for a while and other junk, shows you cannot be objective

I'm not being objective because I won't give Floyd credit for not facing a Top WW for 4 years?

Floyd said he had nothing left to prove in boxing when he had Williams, Margarito and Cotto waiting in the shadows. That's as objective as you're going to get.

and random drug testing??? If you think that has a bearing on era and ATG status, you are hopelessly pathetic. ATG's are rated by collective analysis and no one is dumb enough to add up things that have no bearing on ATG rating

Floyd shouldn't be congratulated for riding the bench and fighting JWW's/Lightweight's at Welterweight. I don't know about you, but ATG's don't get honored for retiring and not fighting top guys for 4 years and conveniently coming back in the nick of time.

But it takes none of those mathematical equations and evaluations to figure out who was the best

How can you figure out who the best was with this lineup when Floyd retired

Floyd Mayweather Jr., Champion
Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Shane Mosley
Antonio Margarito
Zab Judah
Kermit Cintron
Luis Collazo
Joshua Clottey
Jackson Osei Bonsu
Oktay Urkal

Name the PFP highest ranked fighter for x number of years and who is ranked higher on the ATG

P4P didn't start until 1989... Boxing has been around since the late 1800's. P4P is a flawed sample.

Not to mention the fact that Floyd not only beat Cotto

4 years after he was supposed to face him. Floyd beat Cotto 3 years after Floyd labeled Cotto "damaged goods". Great job at pointing that out.

he beat two guys who beat Cotto

Floyd fought Pac 6 years after Cotto.
Floyd fought Mosley almost 3 years after Cotto.

Are you serious right now?

Floyd wouldn't even fight Margarito unless it was for like 20 million. Get lost

It is not even arguable whose name is the highest on the list of PFP for the highest number of years and highest ranked in the ATG status

Yeah, cause it makes sense to congratulate Floyd for sitting the bench and dock the real fighters for, you know, fighting.

[Larry the boss]

1. Oscar was NOT the top guy at 154.

2. Floyd didn't fight ONE Top WW from 2006-2010.

3. Floyd fought Hatton at 147 which is different than fighting him at 140. Hatton was 1-2 as a Welterweight and was almost stopped by Collazo before he even fought Floyd.

Just see for yourself @ 55:00



Hatton's only other fight at 147 ended like this

Oscar was the #3 154 fighter..and in 2006 he fought the ww champ and the #3 ww in Judah and in 2010 he fought Mosley who was the top ww,p4p #3 and the WBA champ..why keep telling these lies?

[Chollo Vista]

Oscar was the #3 154 fighter..

The same Oscar that's on record saying he wants no part of Cotto?

Again, please tell me how the #3 guy is the best guy in the division?

and in 2006 he fought the ww champ and the #3 ww in Judah..why keep telling these lies?

What part of Floyd didn't fight a top WW from Fall 2006 - Summer 2010 don't you understand?

Floyd didn't touch a WW in 2007, 2008 or 2009 AT ALL. He retired when potentially facing Cotto, Marg or Williams.

Do I need to show another video for proof? Why is that so hard to grasp for you guys?

[Larry the boss]

The same Oscar that's on record saying he wants no part of Cotto?

Again, please tell me how the #3 guy is the best guy in the division?



What part of Floyd didn't fight a top WW from Fall 2006 - Summer 2010 don't you understand?

Floyd didn't touch a WW in 2007, 2008 or 2009 AT ALL. He retired when potentially facing Cotto, Marg or Williams.

Do I need to show another video for proof? Why is that so hard to grasp for you guys?

He retired in 2007 and came back in 2009..so why even count those years?? his fights from 2006-2010 include

Baldo-wba lineal ww champ
Judah top 3 ww IBF champ
Oscar top 3 154 wbc champ
Hatton-lineal 140 champ-p4p top 10
Jmm-p4p #2 lineal 135 champ-tune up
Mosley-p4p #3 #1 ww WBA champ


all world champs and 3 p4p top 10 fighters

who was doing more at the time..post a list and ill wait

[BoxingIsGreat]

My heart goes out to that fighter cause he never got the chance to say he won a professional fight or even went the distance. I sure hope his life outside of boxing gave him success, peace, and comfort.

Same here. Hopefully he is enriched in other ways.

[Chollo Vista]

He retired in 2007 and came back in 2009 ..so why even count those years??

Because those were years he could've fought Cotto, Marg and Williams in their prime.

his fights from 2006-2010 include

Baldo-wba lineal ww champ
Judah top 3 ww IBF champ
Oscar top 3 154 wbc champ
Hatton-lineal 140 champ-p4p top 10
Jmm-p4p #2 lineal 135 champ-tune up
Mosley-p4p #3 #1 ww WBA champ

Baldo - November 2006 - Welterweight

Judah - April 2006 - Welterweight

Oscar - May 2007 - JMW

Hatton - December 2007 - JWW - Hatton was not Top 10 at Welterweight.

Marquez - September 2009 - Lightweight

Mosley - May 2010 - Welterweight

That's 2 WW's in 3 years and 6 months to be exact.

2 Welterweights when you had Cotto, Williams and Margarito waiting in the shadows.

all world champs and 3 p4p top 10 fighters

who was doing more at the time..post a list and ill wait

Ok, you want to play this game?

Pac fought Hatton when Hatton was #10 P4P and in his right division at 140 when he was #1, not at 147 where he wasn't even ranked.

Pac fought Cotto when he was P4P #8 and the #2 WW.

Pac fought Marquez in 2008 when he was P4P #3 and was #2 Jr Lightweight

Pac fought Clottey when he was the #4 WW

Pac fought Marg for the 154 lb title, get this, for his 8th weight class.

Pac fought Mosley when he was the #5 WW.

Pac fought Marquez when he was the champ at Lightweight, just as Floyd had done and was #4 P4P.

Pac beat Bradley when he was #3 P4P and #1 WW in 2014

Pac fought Bradley again when he was the #4 WW

And get this? Pac and Cotto did it WITHOUT 2 1/2 year retirements.

Cotto fought Marg when he was #4 WW

Cotto fought Judah when he was #4 WW

Cotto fought Mosley when he was #3 WW

Cotto fought Clottey when he was #4 WW

Cotto fought Pac when he was #5 WW and #1 P4P

That's 5 Top 10 WW's and 1 P4P fighter while Floyd was get this... retired. That's 5 Top 10 WW's in 3 years, with Floyd only fighting 2 Top 10 WW's in 3 years.

Let's keep going:

Cotto fought Foreman while he was #7 JMW and won the WBA.

Cotto fought Martinez while he was the #1 MW champ and #5 P4P

Cotto fought Geale while he was the #4 MW

That's 8 Top 10 fighters covering 4 different weight classes with NO RETIREMENTS

[ironmt]

Because those were years he could've fought Cotto, Marg and Williams in their prime.



Baldo - November 2006 - Welterweight

Judah - April 2006 - Welterweight

Oscar - May 2007 - JMW

Hatton - December 2007 - JWW - Hatton was not Top 10 at Welterweight.

Marquez - September 2009 - Lightweight

Mosley - May 2010 - Welterweight

That's 2 WW's in 3 years and 6 months to be exact.

2 Welterweights when you had Cotto, Williams and Margarito waiting in the shadows.




Ok, you want to play this game?

Pac fought Hatton when Hatton was #10 P4P and in his right division at 140 when he was #1, not at 147 where he wasn't even ranked.

Pac fought Cotto when he was P4P #8 and the #2 WW.

Pac fought Marquez in 2008 when he was P4P #3 and was #2 Jr Lightweight

Pac fought Clottey when he was the #4 WW

Pac fought Marg for the 154 lb title, get this, for his 8th weight class.

Pac fought Mosley when he was the #5 WW.

Pac fought Marquez when he was the champ at Lightweight, just as Floyd had done and was #4 P4P.

Pac beat Bradley when he was #3 P4P and #1 WW in 2014

Pac fought Bradley again when he was the #4 WW

And get this? Pac and Cotto did it WITHOUT 2 1/2 year retirements.

Damn, case closed. Excellent post.

[DJ Enerate]

This is exactly how I see it. While he was fighting for money, something happened along the way, he won multiple titles, multiple divisions, and became an all time great fighter.

It's not that hard to win multiple world titles in the era of multiple world titles though is it ? This era has produced C level fighters who are multiple weight world champions ffs. I'm talking boxers that would only be chosen as mere warm up fighers in past eras. See the so called bums that are on the truly great fighters records ? There is no doubt a lot of those greater era bums could win world titles nowadays. If the likes of Broner competed in the fab four era he wouldn't get anywhere near a world title and would likely be just another bum on someone's record. In the era's of one belt Broner would be lucky to get past sparring partner level. Just imagine what someone like a Kid Gavilan would do to a Broner, Berto, or even a Maidana or Danny Garcia. Those guys would all get ***** slapped up and down the ring by Gavilan.

Floyd is undeniably a great fighter though. Probably top 35 of all time, as well as being one of the top 5 defensive genuises of all time and a second tier H2H force.