Floyd straight up ducked Cotto in 2008

[Chollo Vista]

Me personally, I have no problem with anyone wanting to see the fights in the ww division around that time. Hell I did too. But hindsight is 20/20. There is no way a man who beat down 130lb, 135, some fights at 140 and the #1 #2 in 147, went up to a 5th weight class and won there in the biggest fight in boxing history. then went back down to beat the #1 140 guy would know the future of the fighters in the ww division. How much more do most boxers get to do? I absolutely can't blame that man for thinking he was on top of the world and deciding to retire to heal his hands and be with his family. Aside from arguably cotto, who else would've raised his stock at that point? The two biggest fights he wanted would've been Mosley and hoya and he got Hoya while Mosley ducked him then lost, while under the same umbrella cotto ducked him.
That year going into 2008:

Mosley lost
Margarito lost
All before Floyd vs hatton
2008
Cotto lost
Williams lost

Floyd couldnt have fought them all in that one year. Be realistic. Maybe the Williams fight and cotto could've happened? Or someone not in the top 5 like up and coming clottey? Couldn't be collazo cuz he just got beat by hatton, couldn't be cintron because he got frogged by margarito. But to say he ducked cotto is asinine. Especially when he was the man at the top. Cotto never pursued a fight against the #1ww, #1 P4p fighter and top draw in his division. There is absolutely no way I can turn that around on Floyd. Imagine if Floyd never attempted to go after pac when he came back....what would y'all be saying?

Y'all are gonna make me go to the laptop so I can post some links at this rate lol. Someone put a list of the top welterweights and said that's why Floyd was scared forgetting that in 2007 only one was a potential Hof who ducked floyd previously, the another one ducked him a year or so prior when they were in the same weight class, under the same promoter who said hell no after Floyd cripped walked and beat down one of his beasties. the other two fought each other that year and the guy who won lost to a nobody some 7 or 8 months later. I will admit this is a fun discussion tho

At this point in the thread with all the videos and articles from Roger, quotes from Floyd, quotes from Ellerbe, quotes from Arum, quotes from Cotto, quotes from Hatton you CAN'T be serious right now.

It's impossible for you to dismiss all that data and tally it up to "this guy lost to that guy who lost to that guy who lost to that guy".

Either you didn't witness these events first hand or you can't read. No other way to explain your false logic.

Dude, I mean this schit is DOCUMENTED with videos and articles. What more do you want? Damn

[Chollo Vista]

Guaranteed that some of these clowns didn't start following the sport until after they started playing whatever boxing game was popular In the past few years.

I just tried to post this on the thread of: Cotto's record at WW isn't that great

But for some reason I got put on the ignore list.

But anyway, here's what I was going to post:

Boxing writers, aficionados, analysts, experts, historians, officials, myself and others agree on Cotto's career. Fighters that aren't that good don't get mentioned as a first ballot Hall of Famer.

At the end of the day, he is indeed a first ballot Hall of Famer and will be in the Hall of Fame as soon as he is eligible.

And that's all that matters.

I mean I don't know what else to post.

I've posted videos from 2007 and articles from 2008 showing how Floyd said he didn't want to fight Cotto only to negotiate a fight with DLH 2 months after he told the world he was retired.

Essentially, he told Cotto he was retired, Cotto said cool and moved on, then Floyd said "sike" and approved a negotiation for a DLH rematch.

I mean this is documented PROVEN evidence that I'm not making up. Ive posted links, articles and videos as proof yet some of these Floyd fan boys just won't accept it.

[Chollo Vista]

Y'all are gonna make me go to the laptop so I can post some links at this rate lol. Someone put a list of the top welterweights and said that's why Floyd was scared forgetting that in 2007 only one was a potential Hof who ducked floyd previously, the another one ducked him a year or so prior when they were in the same weight class, under the same promoter who said hell no after Floyd cripped walked and beat down one of his beasties. the other two fought each other that year and the guy who won lost to a nobody some 7 or 8 months later. I will admit this is a fun discussion tho

And explain to me how Floyd turning down a deal from Arum offering Floyd a fight with Cotto in 2005 means Cotto ducked?

In what world?

Floyd refused the Arum proposed package deal so that means Cotto ducked?

And to play Devil's advocate, even if Cotto DID say he didn't want the fight in 2005, WTF does that have to do with 2007/2008 when the WORLD wanted May vs Cotto?

I mean you can't make this schit up from you Floyd fans

[B Phontain]

And explain to me how Floyd turning down a deal from Arum offering Floyd a fight with Cotto in 2005 means Cotto ducked?

In what world?

Floyd refuses the Arum proposed package deal so that means Cotto ducked?

I mean you can't make this schit up from you Floyd fans

Ok good, now that I know you can understand bs logic I can't for the life of me understand how you go some 20 pgs posting Floyd ducked cotto when NO Offer was made to fight him. You post videos of Floyd opting to fight the #1 140lb and the #8 P4p fighter in the world hatton (you know 2 of the four: gatti, tzu, FLoyd, hatton. All whom cotto didn't fight at 140lb when he could've) instead of the guy who up until that point beat ABSOLUTELY no one until a disputed decision on Mosley less than a month before Floyd fought hatton. Ill shorten this again for you:

Floyd fought the # 8 p4p and #1 140lb hatton who completed the four way at 140. Hatton def tzu, Floyd def gatti, Floyd def hatton. Cotto had a chance to fight Floyd at 140 and make a name. Never happened. Cotto made NO ATTEMPT to fight the #1p4p #1ww Floyd mayweather. A bland "eh who ever they put in front of me" is no different than the "ehhh you have to talk to my promoter Bob arum" that Manny use to trout out.

"Floyd refused a arum proposed package deal so that means cotto ducked?"

"Floyd retired instead of chasing a guy who should've been chasing him means Floyd ducked?"

See how dumb that sounds? But you won't. You'll keep tryna make a point that ain't there.

By the way...Floyd ASKED to add cotto for 10 mill. Imagine that....while negotiating to fight margarito, the #1p4p fighter in the world tried to add cotto to the pot as well in 2005 (as you keep reminding me)....yea but he was scared when only one year later cotto's biggest win was zab Judah a guy he already beat. Foh

[danceswithfire]

i think this should be a common knowledge to every boxing fan..

floyd has given fans clues about fighting the guy at the "right" time yet many still deny it

[Chollo Vista]

Ok good, now that I know you can understand bs logic I can't for the life of me understand how you go some 20 pgs posting Floyd ducked cotto when NO Offer was made to fight him. You post videos of Floyd opting to fight the #1 140lb and the #8 P4p fighter in the world hatton (you know 2 of the four: gatti, tzu, FLoyd, hatton. All whom cotto didn't fight at 140lb when he could've) instead of the guy who up until that point beat ABSOLUTELY no one until a disputed decision on Mosley less than a month before Floyd fought hatton. Ill shorten this again for you:

Floyd fought the # 8 p4p and #1 140lb hatton who completed the four way at 140. Hatton def tzu, Floyd def gatti, Floyd def hatton. Cotto had a chance to fight Floyd at 140 and make a name. Never happened. Cotto made NO ATTEMPT to fight the #1p4p #1ww Floyd mayweather. A bland "eh who ever they put in front of me" is no different than the "ehhh you have to talk to my promoter Bob arum" that Manny use to trout out.

"Floyd refused a arum proposed package deal so that means cotto ducked?"

"Floyd retired instead of chasing a guy who should've been chasing him means Floyd ducked?"

See how dumb that sounds? But you won't. You'll keep tryna make a point that ain't there.

By the way...Floyd ASKED to add cotto for 10 mill. Imagine that....while negotiating to fight margarito, the #1p4p fighter in the world tried to add cotto to the pot as well in 2005 (as you keep reminding me)....yea but he was scared when only one year later cotto's biggest win was zab Judah a guy he already beat. Foh

I'll ask you one more time.

If Floyd refused an Arum package deal, tell me how Cotto ducked?

Why are you deflecting 2007 by talking about a time period Floyd ducked?

While we're at it, Floyd negotiated a rematch with DLH when he said he was retiring. Show me the contract offer for DLH vs Floyd rematch right now... That's right you can't because you've never seen a contract offer in your life. You don't even know what it looks like.

You think I can just type in Google "Cotto contract offer" and it will magically appear? If I can't find it then that means Floyd never ducked?

I can't find the Mayweather vs Judah contract offer. I guess they never fought. Damn you guys are some damn idiots

[Chollo Vista]

i think this should be a common knowledge to every boxing fan..

floyd has given fans clues about fighting the guy at the "right" time yet many are still deny it

Forgot all about that as well

I'm sure Phontain or whatever his name is can explain that as well

[Dosumpthin]

Thread summary:

Floyd ducked the younger Cotto until
Cotto become older than Floyd.

[B Phontain]

And to everyone else who bandwagons this cotto was a monster myth. At 140 he didnt mayweather, tzu, gatti, or hatton. Also he almost got ktfo by chop chop corely. In what would become a theme in his early career corley was a victim of cotto's low blows. At 147 he did what he was supposed to do. Fight his way up the ranks; tested the waters with quintana, then utakal, a bit of a rough bout with judah (more low blows), then a controversial decision over Mosley. But that Mosley bout was less than a month before Floyd fought hatton. That's when the clamor came for him and mayweather to fight. Explain what cotto did in that time to make mayweather duck him?

[Chollo Vista]

And to everyone else who bandwagons this cotto was a monster myth. At 140 he didnt mayweather, tzu, gatti, or hatton. Also he almost got ktfo by chop chop corely. In what would become a theme in his early career corley was a victim of cotto's low blows. At 147 he did what he was supposed to do. Fight his way up the ranks; tested the waters with quintana, then utakal, a bit of a rough bout with judah (more low blows), then a controversial decision over Mosley. But that Mosley bout was less than a month before Floyd fought hatton. That's when the clamor came for him and mayweather to fight. Explain what cotto did in that time to make mayweather duck him?

You little ******ed b1tch

Floyd got hurt by Chop Chop as well. Several times.

Floyd had 3 wins at 140. Brueseles, Gatti and Corley.

Did Floyd fight kosta or Hatton at 140??

Cotto had over 10 wins at 140. Cotto had the better 140 lb resume.

Were you even watching boxing?

Where's the contract offer you said you can produce?