Floyd straight up ducked Cotto in 2008

[Chollo Vista]

That's when the clamor came for him and mayweather to fight. Explain what cotto did in that time to make mayweather duck him?

First you say Floyd agreed to fight Cotto in 05. Now you say the clamor for Mayweather vs Cotto didn't start to December 2007?

Case where being a ******ed troll back fires.

Just admit you weren't around during that time and are relying on boxrec

[Don Pichardo]

Thread summary:

Floyd ducked the younger Cotto until
Cotto become older than Floyd.

Actually until Cotto became pulverized by margarito, got older, gained weight, became poorly conditioned, and got rid the of his best trainer and replaced him with an amateur trainer.

Clever post though.

[Dosumpthin]

Actually until Cotto became pulverized by margarito, got older, gained weight, became poorly conditioned, and got rid the of his best trainer and replaced him with an amateur trainer.

Clever post though.

Maybe Cotto should've kept winning like Floyd after all he's better than him. Or does Cottos future ATG status only apply in Spring of 2008 because of all the pollen?

[Don Pichardo]

Maybe Cotto should've kept winning like Floyd after all he's better than him. Or does Cottos future ATG status only apply in Spring of 2008 because of all the pollen?

Actually I'm a fan of both and for me I can out either in all time great status. Cotto for his ****** decisions regarding trainers and training methods and Floyd for for his strategic retirements and opponent choices.

In my opinion all time great status is reserved for great fighters (which Cotto and Floyd truly are) who challenged everyone thereby challenging himself, performing excellently, giving it all, win lose or draw.

In my opinion Trinidad surpassed both these guys. Performed excellently, always gave it is all, called out and challenged everyone, moved up and challenged the top guys there. Moved up again and challenged Hopkins another alltime great then moved all the way to 170 and challenged another slltume great in Roy jones.

Trinidad and Hopkins trump both these guys.

[Dosumpthin]

Actually I'm a fan of both and for me I can out either in all time great status. Cotto for his ****** decisions regarding trainers and training methods and Floyd for for his strategic retirements and opponent choices.

In my opinion all time great status is reserved for great fighters (which Cotto and Floyd truly are) who challenged everyone thereby challenging himself, performing excellently, giving it all, win lose or draw.

In my opinion Trinidad surpassed both these guys. Performed excellently, always gave it is all, called out and challenged everyone, moved up and challenged the top guys there. Moved up again and challenged Hopkins another alltime great then moved all the way to 170 and challenged another slltume great in Roy jones.

Trinidad and Hopkins trump both these guys.

I guess it's only considered challenging yourself if you lose the fight or it's close. Riiiiiiight. If Floyd moves up and dominates bigger/younger guys @ 36 years old = not a challenge.




Question : Did Floyd challenge himself when he immediately rematched Castillo and Maidana?

[The Time]

Actually I'm a fan of both and for me I can out either in all time great status. Cotto for his ****** decisions regarding trainers and training methods and Floyd for for his strategic retirements and opponent choices.

In my opinion all time great status is reserved for great fighters (which Cotto and Floyd truly are) who challenged everyone thereby challenging himself, performing excellently, giving it all, win lose or draw.

In my opinion Trinidad surpassed both these guys. Performed excellently, always gave it is all, called out and challenged everyone, moved up and challenged the top guys there. Moved up again and challenged Hopkins another alltime great then moved all the way to 170 and challenged another slltume great in Roy jones.

Trinidad and Hopkins trump both these guys.

I don't know about Trinidad. He very arguably lost to De La Hoya, was severely out classed by Hopkins, Winky Wright, lost practically every single round. Roy Jones was out of his weight class.

I mean Trinidad is great, one of the all time greats and one of the very best Puerto Rican fighters if not the best. The De La Hoya and particularly the Hopkins, Winky Wright fights where he lost every round are telling.

He surely is an atg puerto rican fighter but we shouldn't get carried away with him.

[Don Pichardo]

I guess it's only considered challenging yourself if you lose the fight or it's close. Riiiiiiight. If Floyd moves up and dominates bigger/younger guys @ 36 years old = not a challenge.




Question : Did Floyd challenge himself when he immediately rematched Castillo and Maidana?

Castillo yes miadana no

miadana just posed an ackward style at first. Floyd prepared for it the second time around and performed as expected, total domination.

[Don Pichardo]

I don't know about Trinidad. He very arguably lost to De La Hoya, was severely out classed by Hopkins, Winky Wright, lost practically every single round. Roy Jones was out of his weight class.

I mean Trinidad is great, one of the all time greats and one of the very best Puerto Rican fighters if not the best. The De La Hoya and particularly the Hopkins, Winky Wright fights where he lost every round are telling.

He surely is an atg puerto rican fighter but we shouldn't get carried away with him.

true. distinction is that Trinidad called out the best and moved up in weight chasing these guys. Trinidads career was essentially 147. He moved up three weight classes to fight the best in each division. who else has done that. Cotto or Floyd don't want any part of GGG or ward for that matter. Trindad went after Hopkins and jones. YEa we all know cotto or Floyd don't stand a chance against ggg or ward. We would love to see it but we know the result. Trinidad gave it to us. He hoped to win and tried but we all knew what was going to happen.

Do not get me started on De la Hoya....


Had to add that Hopkins has done similar things. That is fight people he shouldn't have searching for greatness.

[rickJen]

Chollo Vista is posting a lot like Spoon does, reposting the same crap over and over when he has no argument. Anyone think it's the same poster? Spoon does conveniently appear out of nowhere as soon as Pacquiao and Mayweather are mentioned. I'm starting to think it's the same guy.

At least he's not putting everyone he disagrees with on ignore.
You, otoh, are a coward. You love to dish it, but can't take it.

[Raggamuffin]

Even Uncle Roger knew that Floyd was lined up to fight the Mosley vs Cotto winner:

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=135690

And I quote "Mayweather knows the next opponent for Floyd will probably come out of the Nov. 10 battle between WBA welterweight champ Miguel Cotto and former three division title-holder "Sugar" Shane Mosley."

It was even more evident in this interview after the Cotto vs Mosley fight, Nov 10th, 2007:

@1:38, Cotto says "Mayweather, Hatton, Margarito, De La Hoya, Whoever they put in front of me, I'll fight".



In December 2007, here's what Floyd had to say regarding facing Cotto:



Floyd also said Cotto lives too far and isn't a PPV star.


I think it's quite clear Floyd ducked this fight by retiring for almost 2 years right after.

Here's the Welterweight rankings at the end of 2007:

Floyd Mayweather Jr., Champion
Miguel Cotto
Paul Williams
Shane Mosley
Antonio Margarito
Zab Judah
Kermit Cintron
Luis Collazo
Joshua Clottey
Jackson Osei Bonsu
Oktay Urkal

In 2008, here were The Ring's top 10 Welterweights:

Antonio Margarito
Miguel Cotto
Shane Mosley
Joshua Clottey
Manny Pacquiao
Carlos Quintana
Zab Judah
Luis Collazo
Andre Berto
Isaac Hlatshwayo

Tell me why instead of fighting Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Floyd fought, Junior Welterweight, Ricky Hatton and retired right after?

When presented with Cotto, why did Floyd say "I won't let the sport of boxing retire me, I'll retire before that happens"?

Why did Floyd say this only to continue to fight for another 10 years to this day?

Ducked Cotto? Lmao. Do you even know what the boxing term "duck means"?