Comments Thread For: Lomachenko: I Was Preparing For Salido, But Ready For Marriaga

[Boxing Logic]

Salido and Marriaga aren't B level and Russell and Walters aren't A. I'll tell you who is A level, Rigo. A level is the best fighters in the sport P4P top 10 or close. Russell and Walters were neither.

Russell was being hyped as a P4P talent before Lomachenko beat him. "Fastest hands in all of boxing" etc. Walters was also undefeated, big power, decent speed, a 7 inch reach advantage over Lomachenko and a weight advantage.

And I never said Salido was an A-level fighter, although he's underrated. Fought pretty even with Juan Manuel Marquez for one, at the lower weights where Marquez was big. Beat JuanMa twice. Salido just gets underrated because Mikey Garcia dominated him, but now we know Mikey Garcia was a welterweight fighting at 126. I don't know how did it but he did, and it kind of skews everything. In any case, fighting a good fighter like Salido when he weighs in half a weight class above you, then rehydrates to an even bigger advantage, is a huge test, especially when he's allowed to use that 10 pound weight advantage to punch you in the balls all night, and it's only your 2nd pro fight.

If you don't acknowledge what actually happened that night, and all you look at is a sheet on boxrec, then why even discuss boxing? For example Lomachenko's performance against Salido was actually more impressive than Floyd's first performance against Castillo, the only difference is the judges protected Floyd that night but not Lomachenko. Otherwise Salido and Castillo were very similar. Some will argue Castillo was better, but he didn't miss weight that fight, and it wasn't Floyd's 2nd pro fight, so it all evens out. And Castillo actually dominated the second half of that fight, whereas it was Lomachenko who almost knocked out Salido in the 12th round of their fight.

Floyd also didn't have a referee working against him like Lomachenko did. And yet Floyd still struggled that fight. Lomachenko was able to perform similarly, arguably better when you factor in the big 12th round, despite having everything against him.

So why is it OK for Floyd to put in a performance like that and still be a supposed legend in the sport, but you want to keeping dogging Lomachenko for performing just as well or better in much more unfair circumstances in only his 2nd pro fight? If it's because corrupt judges protected Floyd but not Lomachenko, and all you care about is how corrupt authority figures define something for you instead of what you see yourself, that would make you a sheep. But I'm not saying you are, hopefully you're not.

[Thetruthiserrol]

Do you guys think they made a mistake making Loma's nickname "Hi-Tech"? Fighters like Floyd and Lara and Ward have kind of given "technical boxing" a bad name because the term was often used to describe what they were doing incorrectly. It was often false advertising but what it did was poison that term in the minds of many casual boxing fans, so if they see it now applied to Lomachenko, a true, entertaining "technical boxer," they might not know the difference and just think, "So this guy fights like Ward or Lara then? No thanks I won't watch."

Especially with the shorts Loma wore last time, I wonder if they shouldn't have just called him Vasyl "The Matrix" Lomachenko. It's not as original, since you're knocking off a movie, but I feel like it would go viral a lot better. Lots of casuals might think, "This guy says he fights like The Matrix? OK let me check this out and see if he's really that good," and then when they see him, they tell their friends, "Holy **** have you guys seen this Matrix dude? He's like half Pacquiao, half Floyd, it's crazy. You have to watch this fight!"

And every nice move Loma does, they would post gifs on twitter saying stuff like "More #Matrix here from Vasyl Lomachenko."

But who knows, I'm not a marketing a guy. Hi-tech sounds cool too, like James Bond or something.

I agree, Lomachenko has quite a big following already and from what I've seen many people say he has matrix style movements. I've seen a YouTube video called 'Is this Matrix style fighter from the future?' that went viral, with over 3 million views.

However, if you're talking about him being the next Pacquiao/Floyd PPV star then he needs a marquee name (ie De La Hoya) , and that won't happen at the lower weights.

[filup79]

B-level, but yes. Although, the Salido he actually fought before, weighing in 2 pounds overweight then 11 pounds heavier in the ring (not 11+ pounds bigger at 160, like Jacobs and GGG, which is already a lot, but 11 pounds bigger at 126. That;s a lot), in Texas, with Salido fouling all night, was definitely an A-level test in Lomachenko's 2nd pro fight, and Lomachenko almost knocked him out in the 12th round.

Regardless, Lomachenko already passed the supposed A-level test in Russell, and then Walters the man who knocked out Guillermo Rigondeaux's biggest win. Lomachenko stopped the guy who knocked out the guy who is Rigondeaux's biggest win, so you have to give credit. Tank Davis would be another test on the GRJ level but even bigger because Tank is so much bigger and more powerful, but Floyd has already openly admitted he wants Tank to avoid Lomachenko. Lomachenko is being ducked like GGG and Kovalev were in their primes. It's the problem with modern boxing.

Its nice how you always use the weight excuse for fighters you like. It's always an excuse that were 10 lbs heavier. If Loma is as skillful as people say he is, he should be able to handle a fighter that out weighs him, I guess Floyd is the only fighter who can handle fighting fighters that ot weigh him by 15+ lbs and the only fighter people ask to keep fighting bigger guys

[Floyd is TBE]

Arum put Loma in with Salido because they thought it was a safe fight. Loma wasn't "daring to be great". Arum and Loma even waited until Salido was old and shopworn before they got serious about making the rematch.

[TheCell8]

Arum put Loma in with Salido because they thought it was a safe fight. Loma wasn't "daring to be great". Arum and Loma even waited until Salido was old and shopworn before they got serious about making the rematch.

He put him in with Salido because he was the WBO champ, and the WBO were the only ones willing to rate him highly enough to fight for a belt after he beat a fighter that they had in their top 15 (who was Jose Ramirez). Loma wanted to make history, and he he did as the fastest to win a World title. He holds the record with another Thai fighter.

No other fighter, other than Leon Spinks, has a more impressive record after their first 9 fights than Lomachenko.

[Lou Cipher]

Another wasted talent used as a pawn to line ArScum's gold casket with $100 bills.

[Floyd is TBE]

He put him in with Salido because he was the WBO champ, and the WBO were the only ones willing to rate him highly enough to fight for a belt after he beat a fighter that they had in their top 15 (who was Jose Ramirez). Loma wanted to make history, and he he did as the fastest to win a World title. He holds the record with another Thai fighter.

No other fighter, other than Leon Spinks, has a more impressive record after their first 9 fights than Lomachenko.

In 50 years, no one is going to say "Wow, remember that Loma guy? He beat Gary Russel and Jason Sosa in his first nine fights!"

I don't really care for the arbitrary statistics and achievements, Loma hasn't beat anyone of note. His career has been a dud so far, and I don't ever see him getting the fights needed to change that with Arum steering the ship.

Also he lost to Salido.

[Corelone]

9 and 1 isn't getting anybody in the hall of fame. Loma won't make 20 and 1. He spent too much time beating up kids.

[Dramacyde]

Just admit you picked a cherry
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[Dreamking]

So many people in this thread are blatantly ******ed...