Comments Thread For: Stiverne Hires Prince and Dubin - Will NOT Allow Wilder-Ortiz

[Heromaker]

Big mess, they need to simply make fights happen. I Povkin falls out find someone else otherwise this crap happens. It's a business yes but not a very good one

[original zero]

Regardless of why he's the mando

he's the mando because everybody in front of him lost, stopped fighting for the WBC, or failed a drug test.

there's nothing corrupt about it.

[Queen_Leia]

Just being reported that Stiverne missed a scheduled drug test (why is he missing drug test anyway? Id he not clean?) which in the WBC eyes is treated the same as a failed drug test. Wilder and his team may have standing to get Stiverne out of his mandatory position based on this factor...more info to come.

[aboutfkntime]

he's the mando because everybody in front of him lost, stopped fighting for the WBC, or failed a drug test.

there's nothing corrupt about it.

1) you have no idea whatsoever if that statement is true.....
..... it would be extremely naive to trust King and/or Sulaiman

so, cool story bro

2) you could be correct, and probably are.....
..... a second-rate mandatory could suggest incompetence

..... either way, cancelling Wilder/Ortiz for Stiverne is rubbish, and clearly not the best decision for boxing

oh right, I forgot..... boxing aint your thing

so far, you supported Martin/Glazkov over Fury/Klitschko II..... because, rules-doe..... then you flip-flopped and supported the IBF decision to not enforce rules-doe, because Joshua had a note from his mom..... and now you support Wilder/Stiverne over Wilder/Ortiz

nice job, you must be a real hardcore fan

[KillaCamNZ]

1) you have no idea whatsoever if that statement is true.....
..... it would be extremely naive to trust King and/or Sulaiman

so, cool story bro

2) you could be correct, and probably are.....
..... a second-rate mandatory could suggest incompetence

..... either way, cancelling Wilder/Ortiz for Stiverne is rubbish, and clearly not the best decision for boxing

oh right, I forgot..... boxing aint your thing

so far, you supported Martin/Glazkov over Fury/Klitschko II..... because, rules-doe..... then you flip-flopped and supported the IBF decision to not enforce rules-doe, because Joshua had a note from his mom..... and now you support Wilder/Stiverne over Wilder/Ortiz

nice job, you must be a real hardcore fan

Oh geez, is that Original Zero guy still getting under peoples skin? I had to put him on ignore, felt like everywhere I went, he was around the corner. Gives me the chills.

I love a good debate as much as the next guy, and encourage discussing differences of opinion. But I'd get more out of a brick wall than him.

[original zero]

1) you have no idea whatsoever if that statement is true.....
..... it would be extremely naive to trust King and/or Sulaiman

i've worked for king. i speak to sulaiman regularly. you are a troll fan who barely understands english, constantly arguing against things nobody ever said.

which of us is more likely to know if the statement is true?

2) you could be correct, and probably are.....
..... a second-rate mandatory could suggest incompetence

he's the former champion. he lost by decision and was installed at #5. povetkin beat perez in a final eliminator, fury chose to fight as a WBO mandatory and glazkov chose to fight as an IBF mandatory.

guess what? if you're #5, don't lose, and the people in front of you lose or refuse to fight for the title, you move ahead of them.

if you don't know how boxing works, that's not my problem.

if you know how it works but wish it worked differently, i agree with you. i've never said i prefer for things to be done this way. i want all of the sanctioning bodies to go out of business and for one entity to create an organized UFC style league.

PBC is the best chance of that ever happening, but it's going to take time.

meanwhile, there is nothing to be gained by lying about the sanctioning bodies. if you post false information, i correct you. if you don't like it, too bad. if you're too ****** to understand the difference between me supporting the concept of facts and me supporting those mentioned in said facts, too bad.

my only allegiance is to truth and logic. your allegiance is to fighters. that's the difference. you support your favorites whether the facts dictate it or not. i support whatever the facts dictate.

[aboutfkntime]

i've worked for king. i speak to sulaiman regularly. you are a troll fan who barely understands english, constantly arguing against things nobody ever said.

which of us is more likely to know if the statement is true?

he's the former champion. he lost by decision and was installed at #5. povetkin beat perez in a final eliminator, fury chose to fight as a WBO mandatory and glazkov chose to fight as an IBF mandatory.

guess what? if you're #5, don't lose, and the people in front of you lose or refuse to fight for the title, you move ahead of them.

if you don't know how boxing works, that's not my problem.

if you know how it works but wish it worked differently, i agree with you. i've never said i prefer for things to be done this way. i want all of the sanctioning bodies to go out of business and for one entity to create an organized UFC style league.

PBC is the best chance of that ever happening, but it's going to take time.

meanwhile, there is nothing to be gained by lying about the sanctioning bodies. if you post false information, i correct you. if you don't like it, too bad. if you're too ****** to understand the difference between me supporting the concept of facts and me supporting those mentioned in said facts, too bad.

my only allegiance is to truth and logic. your allegiance is to fighters. that's the difference. you support your favorites whether the facts dictate it or not. i support whatever the facts dictate.

when you follow them into the bushes, do they always give you candy like they promised?

he's the former champion. he lost by decision and was installed at #5. povetkin beat perez in a final eliminator, fury chose to fight as a WBO mandatory and glazkov chose to fight as an IBF mandatory.

guess what? if you're #5, don't lose, and the people in front of you lose or refuse to fight for the title, you move ahead of them.

saying all that..... was real dumb.....

because..... no way should Stiverne be ranked above Ortiz

you should have just said the bold, and left it there

if you don't know how boxing works, that's not my problem

o, k, then..... sorry to bother you Mrs Stiverne

I never boxed and you never see me commenting on boxing techniques or boxing skills. That is not my forte.

[original zero]

no way should Stiverne be ranked above Ortiz

ortiz was interim WBA world heavyweight champion. he was not pursuing the WBC championship and therefore was not listed as a contender. i'm sorry that you don't know how boxing works.

after ortiz vacated his title, he asked to be considered by the WBC for their rankings, povetkin was removed for his drug test failure, stiverne moved up to #1 and ortiz debuted in the rankings at #2.

stiverne was already fighting for the interim championship, there was no way legally for the WBC to have ortiz jump him. with povetkin bounced due to the failure, stiverne inherited #1.

#2 was the absolute highest ortiz could be installed.

he's now #3 because klitschko leap frogged him. but he had never been promised anything and was eligible to be leap frogged.

if you wish boxing didn't work this way, i agree with you. i want all of the sanctioning bodies to go out of business.

[techliam]

Stiverne should have been dropped in the rankings when he arguably lost to Rossy in 2015.

Even if you think he won, that was a terrible performance against a guy not even in the top 20.

[original zero]

Stiverne should have been dropped in the rankings when he arguably lost to Rossy in 2015.

Even if you think he won, that was a terrible performance against a guy not even in the top 20.

but he won. top guys are rarely, if ever, dropped 10+ places in the rankings after a WIN.