Comments Thread For: Arum Reacts To WBO Backing Horn's Shocker Over Pacquiao

[Boxing Logic]

Wait, so now Manny is too small to fight at 147 because he's being outweighed by bigger guys? He didn't have a problem before and aren't you the one who keeps asking for Floyd to fight GGG even though he would out weight Floyd by 15 lbs or more?

Floyd is bigger than you think. If he wasn't a huge welterweight why was he so "dehydrated" he had to use illegal saline IVs to make weight vs Pacquiao? Or will you save us all a lot of time and just admit that was to mask steroids, not to make weight?

Anyway I never said Floyd should move up to 160 to fight GGG, unless he wants to match SRL's accomplishment. I wanted them to fight at a catchweight, even 154 a few years ago but now 157 or 158. Floyd looked 160 at least against Pacquiao, GGG was 170 vs Jacobs and that was at middleweight. Make him weigh in at 157 or 158 and maybe he only weighs 168 in the ring. Have Floyd put on a few pounds, and the size difference is 5 pounds in the ring.

Pacquiao meanwhile has 15 pound size disadvantages. So you basically have it right... Pacquiao continuing to fight at 147 would be like if Floyd fought at 160 or a small 168. That's how crazy it is to have Pacquiao at 147. Yes he managed it in the past but only because he was so good. His knockouts completely dried up once he moved to 147 though. His KO power did not carry against 15 pound bigger guys. In his prime though he had enough stamina to just keep peppering guys all night, so it didn't matter. He could just outwork the bigger guys and get the decision. Now his stamina isn't as good as he can't outwork them anymore, so he's ****ed. Go back down to 135 though and each shot will do damage, he can KO guys again or keep them super defensive and win decisions that way. At 147 Horn just walked through everything he through except the perfect shot in the 9th but that still didn't put Horn down and Pacquiao didn't have the stamina to keep throwing combos after that.

Which is why he needs to fight at 135. I mean put away your hate for a second, and just think about it. You're honestly going to advise a 38 year old fighter to fight 15 pound bigger guys just because "if Floyd can fight GGG then why not!" and "you used to do it when you were 30, so why not now!" Those aren't good reasons, especially since Floyd has not fought GGG.

[Boxing Logic]

I follow your logic, up until the suggestion of a tournament. Make Pacquiao vs. Lomachenko @ 135, ASAP! In-house fight, should be very easy to make! WBC is already pushing for Garcia vs. Linares, so if Pac beats Loma, and wants to continue, then let him fight the winner! However, I feel there's no need to delay Pacquiao vs. Lomachenko!

Any order is fine with me. I just know Top Rank is greedy, probably the only reasaon they've kept Manny at 147 so long. Because it's the "money division." So I tried to think of an idea that would provide a big money incentive for Top Rank to stop wasting Manny's career. By building up to Pacquiao-Loma for all four belts at 135 and the #1 p4p spot, that becomes a huge PPV fight. Make it right now and it would still be bigger than they think, 700k anyway, but not the 1.5 mil it could do this way.

But I am with you. Make it ASAP. That is a great fight.

[original zero]

Floyd is bigger than you think. If he wasn't a huge welterweight why was he so "dehydrated" he had to use illegal saline IVs to make weight vs Pacquiao? Or will you save us all a lot of time and just admit that was to mask steroids, not to make weight?

Your position doesn't make any sense. Anybody, of any size, can get dehydrated for a variety of reasons.

Saline is just salt water. It was not against the rules. However, Floyd & Manny voluntarily agreed that even though it wasn't against the rules, they would hire USADA to determine if any IV use was for legitimate medical purposes.

Floyd took a drug test immediately before the soda bottle sized amount of salt water and took another drug test immediately after. All while being supervised the entire day by a doping control officer.

There's no way it could have masked anything. You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

[ironmt]

Your position doesn't make any sense. Anybody, of any size, can get dehydrated for a variety of reasons.

Saline is just salt water. It was not against the rules. However, Floyd & Manny voluntarily agreed that even though it wasn't against the rules, they would hire USADA to determine if any IV use was for legitimate medical purposes.

Floyd took a drug test immediately before the soda bottle sized amount of salt water and took another drug test immediately after. All while being supervised the entire day by a doping control officer.

There's no way it could have masked anything. You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

How many other fights In his career was he dehydrated for and needed an IV?

Have you ever showed up at the dr's office and hung around In the waiting room for 5 hrs so that you could give a urine sample?

Why was the drug testing cutoff date 18 days for the Mosley fight but 14 days wasn't good enough to secure a deal with Pacquiao with testing Immediately following the fight?

Why was Floyd willing to pay Pacquiao to end the defamation suit In order to keep his records sealed?

Why was Floyd willing to pay Pacquiao $114,000 to avoid questioning from Pacquiao's attorney's?

These Issues raise a red flag.

[Bronx2245]

Any order is fine with me. I just know Top Rank is greedy, probably the only reasaon they've kept Manny at 147 so long. Because it's the "money division." So I tried to think of an idea that would provide a big money incentive for Top Rank to stop wasting Manny's career. By building up to Pacquiao-Loma for all four belts at 135 and the #1 p4p spot, that becomes a huge PPV fight. Make it right now and it would still be bigger than they think, 700k anyway, but not the 1.5 mil it could do this way.

But I am with you. Make it ASAP. That is a great fight.

Now we just have to persuade Lomachenko:

April 8, 2017:

"In terms of fighting Manny Pacquiao, he is near the end of his career," Lomachenko told Sporting News. "In the next two to three years he will be at the end of his career. And I’m not going to go in there and beat an old guy. It’s complete nonsense for me to chase him. He has his own career. I have my own career. I think that I have a lot of good fighters in my division and at 135 and we can go in there and find out who is the best. Now, would be crazy for me to go in there and chase Pacquiao. He is like three years from now."

http://www.sportingnews.com/mma/news...o11ekk5v2ccht5

[original zero]

How many other fights In his career was he dehydrated for and needed an IV?

Have you ever showed up at the dr's office and hung around In the waiting room for 5 hrs so that you could give a urine sample?

Why was the drug testing cutoff date 18 days for the Mosley fight but 14 days wasn't good enough to secure a deal with Pacquiao with testing Immediately following the fight?

Why was Floyd willing to pay Pacquiao to end the defamation suit In order to keep his records sealed?

Why was Floyd willing to pay Pacquiao $114,000 to avoid questioning from Pacquiao's attorney's?

These Issues raise a red flag.

none of your questions have anything to do with what i said, nor do they counter any of my positions. you're simply asking questions we don't have the answers to so you can pretend the answers have some sort of significance.