The UFC will get into promoting Boxing soon -- Call me crazy but...

[Eff Pandas]

Id like to know more about why they are against the Ali Act but the main thing now is that its not really enforced. As in most governing bodies, the regulators get to many kickbacks from the lobbies/promoters.

The corruption among boxing governing bodies is a microcosm of our Federal and State governments--so much bureaucracy that no one is ever really held ultimately responsible. The Federal United States Attorney General empowers the state attorney generals who in turn allow state commission implementation and oversight.

What I think McCain and others initially attempted to do was implement a federal commissioner directly appointed by the president more direct control over boxing promoters, television networks, casinos, refs, etc..

This is why a Dana White type of system could be much better. Less weak links in the chain could make sense

Hey you're actually preaching to the choir with that. Not necessarily with Dana White, but a dictatorship in pro sports I'd argue IS NEEDED. And one of the main reasons boxing is effed up & don't make no damn sense is cuz there is no one central power running boxing like the UFC runs MMA, like the NFL runs football, like the NBA runs basketball, like virtually every major sport has a national if not some world entity thats looking out for the sport. In boxing you got a bunch of small businessmen or small businesses basically looking out for themselves in boxers, promoters, abc groups, state & country commissions & networks. You can't have THAT many cats acting like they are the boss & not have a huge clusterf#ck going on in your sport.

And the UFC is against the MAA cuz all the things they are able to hide now they wouldn't be able to hide in a MAA world. Fighters would know there value & the UFC would have to pay them more. And there couldn't be a UFC champion anymore. And there contracts couldn't be neverending as its speculated via their "champions clause". Although in fairness with contracts it does seem like Arum has effed over more fighters via his contracts since the MAA then he ever did before so that might be workaroundable with good lawyers & well worded contracts.

[USMCer]

PBC pays a lot of money to their fighters. They make 6 digits at worst, the top guys can reach $1mill. UFC does not do this at all. Have you seen their PPV payouts for every fighter?

This is [UFC Fight Night 112]

Kevin Lee ($44,000 + $44,000 = $88,000) def. Michael Chiesa ($36,000)
Tim Boetsch ($67,000 + $67,000 = $134,000) def. Johny Hendricks ($100,000)
Felice Herrig ($25,000 + $25,000 = $50,000) def. Justine Kish ($14,000)
Dominick Reyes ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Joachim Christensen ($16,000)
Tim Means ($39,000 + $39,000 = $78,000) def. Alex Garcia ($31,000)
Dennis Siver ($39,000 + $39,000 = $78,000) def. B.J. Penn ($150,000)

https://www.mmamania.com/2017/6/27/15883500/ufc-fight-night-112-payouts-salaries-bj-penn-paid-150k-for-oklahoma-siver-loss

3 fighters made at the very low end of 6 digits, $150k, $134k, $100k. I imagine they have a team to feed, fees to pay and finally taxes they'll owe. Their take home pay is pathetic.

One guy in that "main card" received $12k with another $12k bonus.

Dana White can probably recruit the lowest of the low boxers and hype them up and pay them $30-100k but he can't get the top guys to join with that platform. He will have to shell out real money.

Believe me, I know. The UFC ****s the athletes in MMA. And they do it cuz they can get away with it. Boxing would be different.

But lets give proper context...

First off, this was a "Fight Night" which are not a big events. Secondly, lets show payouts for the entire card. One guy on the "prelims" received $110,000. The lowest paid fighters on the prelims of a low-level card are making $10-12K. In Boxing it's $2-3K.

Preliminary Card

• Clay Guida ($55,000 + $55,000 = $110,000) def. Erik Koch ($24,000)
• Marvin Vettori ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Vitor Miranda ($18,000)
• Carla Esparza ($33,000 + $33,000 = $66,000) def. Maryna Moroz ($23,000)
• Darrell Horcher ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Devin Powell ($10,000)
• Jared Gordon ($10,000 + $10,000 = $20,000) def. Michel Quinones ($10,000)
• Tony Martin ($19,000 + $19,000 = $38,000) def. Johnny Case ($23,000)
• Jeremy Kimball ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Josh Stansbury ($12,000)

But yeah, it would be different in Boxing. They wouldn't be able to under-pay the fighters in Boxing as much as they do in MMA, but again, there is still money to be made, regardless. There is still a "void" in Boxing, as Richard Schaefer affirms. These big money players are looking to become the brand in Boxing.

Basically, the promoter gets less of the cut in Boxing than in MMA, but it may all still be worth it. They'd be expanding into a new revenue source.

[Eff Pandas]

They wouldn't be able to under-pay the fighters in Boxing as much as they do in MMA, but again, there is still money to be made, regardless. There is still a "void" in Boxing, as Richard Schaefer affirms. These big money players are looking to become the brand in Boxing.

Basically, the promoter gets less of the cut in Boxing than in MMA, but it may all still be worth it. They'd be expanding into a new revenue source.

Okay you are aware GBP is one of the biggest promoters in boxing right now & they had to show documents stating that Canelo (one of, if not the biggest active boxer in the sport right now) was keeping them afloat? And go talk to OnePunch about how difficult it is for a promoter to make money at the less then tip top level in the sport. There isn't THAT much money being spread around in boxing on a regular basis.

And this is a much more fractured sport then MMA is or was. There are too many cooks in the kitchen. It'd be no easy task to "takeover" boxing.

Personally I say the UFC is just gonna put some low level boxing on Fight Pass. And maybe if that works out they could make a deal with one of the bigger players in boxing like PBC, GBP or TR down the line & Fight Pass could become a legit Netflix of fighting. And there would be a bunch of money in that. But all the bs in boxing promotion the UFC don't wanna have no part in I'd be willing to bet.

[Hatesrats]

[USMCer]

Read the bill. There is a reason the UFC is trying to kill the Muhammad Ali Act covering MMA guys & all the fighters want it. There are a few things in there that would be problematic for the UFC & how they operate.

The main thing I'd say is they'd have to discuss to the fighters how much money they are making which is something they've been EXTREMELY against in the UFC. Maybe #2 is they couldn't have their own belt. Contracts rules might be #3. Idk its all debatable with what thing is worse, but there is a ton of sh^t in there the UFC doesn't wanna deal with for the money they'd be getting.

And the boxing business is ENTIRELY the opposite as the MMA business. The speculation is that MMA guys get 20% of the money & in boxing boxers get 80% of the money so promoters take a hell of a paycut in boxing.

The UFC would be getting into Boxing, and everything that entails. They'd abide by the Ali Act as far as their Boxing promotion goes. MMA would stay MMA.

Whatever is in the Ali Act... there are still significant efforts, major investments, being made into Boxing promoting. Promoters get less of the cut in Boxing than in MMA, but there is money to be made. If the Ali Act didn't deter PBC and WBSS... why would it deter the UFC/WME?

I think that they think they can do it better than anyone, so they're going to try.

[Eff Pandas]

but there is money to be made. If the Ali Act didn't deter PBC and WBSS... why would it deter the UFC/WME?

Cuz you can't just jump in the game out of the blue with some money & run things. See Roc Nation. See PBC. And the WBSS is a f#cking tournament so idk why you keep bringing that up. That'd be like talking about TUF like its a promotion. The WBSS is actually more like a piece of Ringstar & Sauerland Promotions or an offshot of those Promotions.

I think that they think they can do it better than anyone, so they're going to try.

I think the casino brothers & Dana didn't get into boxing back in the day for the same reasons Dana & the new guys won't get into boxing now. Its a whole clusterf#ck of a situation that they could just burn up money trying to gain a marketshare in & get nowhere.

Why get into boxing promotion when you can just let the current guys promote boxing & you buy the fights you wanna buy & put them on Fight Pass & probably get a nice ROI on that investment with way less of a headache.

And randomly I think its hilarious some of you cats think the UFC is gonna be the next Roc Nation or PBC off of a f#cking shirt he wore.

[USMCer]

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And this is a much more fractured sport then MMA is or was. There are too many cooks in the kitchen. It'd be no easy task to "takeover" boxing.

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Boxing is fractured. That's part of the point, refer back to the OP.

The UFC carries a certain cache...
The UFC is MMA among the mainstream (for better or worse).

And they have quite a bit of built up equity/goodwill with mainstream media, and the casual sports public at large (again, for better or worse. I have my grievances with Dana/the UFC).

They're owned by freaking William Morris Endeavor. They know PR.

They could position themselves at the "white knight" that'll clean up Boxing, that'll re-invent Boxing, that'll save Boxing. That sort of thing.


And the UFC/Zuffa have a history of buying up the competition: bought PRIDE, WEC, Strikeforce.

[Eff Pandas]

Boxing is fractured. That's part of the point, refer back to the OP.

The UFC carries a certain cache...
The UFC is MMA among the mainstream (for better or worse).

And they have quite a bit of built up equity/goodwill with mainstream media, and the casual sports public at large (again, for better or worse. I have my grievances with Dana/the UFC).

They're owned by freaking William Morris Endeavor. They know PR.

They could position themselves at the "white knight" that'll clean up Boxing, that'll re-invent Boxing, that'll save Boxing. That sort of thing.

Boxing isn't MMA. They "could" in fantasyland do a lot of things if they just wanted to light money on fire just like anyone else with a bunch of money. Thing is usually when people have acquired a lot of money they don't take on crazy risks cuz thats not how you make a bunch of money. You take measured risks & taking over boxing isn't a measured risk.

And its not like boxing isn't untakeoverable, but its a risky proposition & the UFC has been cutting corners left & right & letting guys go to Bellator at a record rate which suggests to me they don't got the money to burn right now to go take over a whole other sport when they are losing ground in their own sport. That'd be kinda ****** & just bad business.

Makes a lot more sense to invest in some lil promotion & put there fights on Fight Pass like they got minor league MMA, a bunch of UFC shows, grappling, kickboxing, muay thai & other combat sports yet no boxing currently. There is less money to spend to gain more money to do something like that & hell maybe even call it Zuffa Boxing if we still got a hardon for Dana's shirt. But throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at boxing when you don't have any boxers under contract (well except Anderson Silva who got KO'd in boxing, my boy Mike Perry who got KO"d in boxing, my boy Cowboy Cerrone who got KO'd in boxing & Conor McGregor who is probably about to get KO'd in boxing). These guys aren't ****** businessmen. Thats a huge risk & a huge move & there is no guarantee they can win that battle & not a move smart businessmen would make when there are so few players rolling in money in boxing outside of the boxers.

[USMCer]

Cuz you can't just jump in the game out of the blue with some money & run things. See Roc Nation. See PBC. And the WBSS is a f#cking tournament so idk why you keep bringing that up. That'd be like talking about TUF like its a promotion. The WBSS is actually more like a piece of Ringstar & Sauerland Promotions or an offshot of those Promotions.

I think the casino brothers & Dana didn't get into boxing back in the day for the same reasons Dana & the new guys won't get into boxing now. Its a whole clusterf#ck of a situation that they could just burn up money trying to gain a marketshare in & get nowhere.

Why get into boxing promotion when you can just let the current guys promote boxing & you buy the fights you wanna buy & put them on Fight Pass & probably get a nice ROI on that investment with way less of a headache.

And randomly I think its hilarious some of you cats think the UFC is gonna be the next Roc Nation or PBC off of a f#cking shirt he wore.

Eh, I'm not necessarily asserting that the UFC will definitely jump-in with both feet and instantly run shht. I'm ASKING these questions. And it's not like I'm just randomly speculating. There have been little hints here, little hints there. It's been building up. And yes, you have Dana White wearing a ZUFFA Boxing t-shirt on the MayMac press tour... that's no accident.

But where did PBC come from?
They bet big on the idea that they could fill a need in the Boxing space.

I bring up WBSS because Richard Schaefer and the promoters of WBSS, talk expressly about branding the sport of Boxing, about there being a void that could be fill...

Richard Schaefer

- "I've promoted many of Floyd Mayweather fights, Oscar De La Hoya's, and so many others. But I have to tell you this beats them all. This has the opportunity to become the brand in the sport of Boxing. A kind of tournament where fighters really wants to participate in because it elevates their exposure, it will elevate their career"

- @ 5:47:50 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J65xNgRFe_U

[Eff Pandas]

Eh, I'm not necessarily asserting that the UFC will definitely jump-in with both feet and instantly run shht. I'm ASKING these questions. And it's not like I'm just randomly speculating. There have been little hints here, little hints there. It's been building up. And yes, you have Dana White wearing a ZUFFA Boxing t-shirt on the MayMac press tour... that's no accident.

Have you been tracking how many random shirts Dana has worn in the past that he turned into a half a billion dollar attempt to take over a whole new industry? I haven't but I'm sure it's not many.

And couldn't it just be a shirt representing Conor being a Zuffa employee who's making his pro boxing debut and Reebok might have seen this as their best shot to sell some gear before the UFC sh^tcans them cuz almost every fighter hates that deal? And I did hear those shirts sold out and they had them on back order which is the first time I've heard of that since Reebok and UFC have been working together.

But where did PBC come from?
They bet big on the idea that they could fill a need in the Boxing space.

Haymon. A guy who'd been in the sport about 15 years.

I bring up WBSS because Richard Schaefer and the promoters of WBSS, talk expressly about branding the sport of Boxing, about there being a void that could be fill...

Richard Schaefer

- "I've promoted many of Floyd Mayweather fights, Oscar De La Hoya's, and so many others. But I have to tell you this beats them all. This has the opportunity to become the brand in the sport of Boxing. A kind of tournament where fighters really wants to participate in because it elevates their exposure, it will elevate their career"

- @ 5:47:50 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J65xNgRFe_U

IDK why you are fascinated with brands in boxing. There are dozens of major brands. You can't take over boxing with a brand. TMT can't takeover boxing just cuz it's a brand. There are a lot more moving parts in boxing then in MMA. And you'll see if the MAA passes for MMA cuz it'll greatly alter how the UFC works and what they are able to do. If you think there is a bellator exodus now just see how spread out the talent pool gets after that bill gets past if they don't hem it up.

And that's what boxing is now. You can't just come in and buy up everyone's contract. Get some big TV deal out of the blue with some C level roster. That was the pbc plan and they had to do a time buy cuz no one would give them enough money to make that work.